AWD vs. FWD - Newbie Question
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Mitsubishi OS/RVR and Outlander has the JF011E model and within the Nissan family many models are used:
Juke/Cube/Note: JF015E
Rogue/Altima: JF016E/JF017E
Pathfinder/Maxima: JF018E
Murano: JF010E, as far as I know.
I have also heard that the AWD lock system in the Nissan models turns off above certain speed. Here is the link that backs up CottageLifer's comment ( see #3 and #4 posts):
http://www.pathfindertalk.com/forum/...-4wd-lock.html
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The selectable AWD/4WD and the 8.5" ground clearance is a huge benefit in the Canadian winters and anywhere with substantial snowfall. If not the look than the inferior AWD system and the trade of ground clearance for a larger passenger space/flat floor in the CRV steared me away from Honda.
Honda's response to the above test unfortunately does not stand the real world testing as the following article and video shows:
http://totalcar.hu/tesztek/2013/02/1...uv_terepteszt/
Use Google Chrome and translate the article. Scroll down an find the video (17 mins long). If you are only interested in the performance of the CRV, watch only between 7:15 and 8:30. For each of the tested vehicle the first run is in automatic mode, while the second is with traction control off and locking the differentials (if available). In case of the Outlander (that wins this test) the first run is in 4WD auto and the second in 4WD lock.
Honda's response to the above test unfortunately does not stand the real world testing as the following article and video shows:
http://totalcar.hu/tesztek/2013/02/1...uv_terepteszt/
Use Google Chrome and translate the article. Scroll down an find the video (17 mins long). If you are only interested in the performance of the CRV, watch only between 7:15 and 8:30. For each of the tested vehicle the first run is in automatic mode, while the second is with traction control off and locking the differentials (if available). In case of the Outlander (that wins this test) the first run is in 4WD auto and the second in 4WD lock.
Just watched the video..
Honda CR-V 2.0L AWD
SO Sad..
Couldn't even make it up pass the mole hill.! Gets stuck on the little crest and couldn't even back itself off. Even with help.
Had to get it towed.
I would hate to be that driver of the CR-V in the middle of deep winter and nobody around to help pull you down (or up) that tiny hill.
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Just watched the video..
Honda CR-V 2.0L AWD
SO Sad..
Couldn't even make it up pass the mole hill.! Gets stuck on the little crest and couldn't even back itself off. Even with help.
Had to get it towed.
I would hate to be that driver of the CR-V in the middle of deep winter and nobody around to help pull you down (or up) that tiny hill.
Honda CR-V 2.0L AWD
SO Sad..
Couldn't even make it up pass the mole hill.! Gets stuck on the little crest and couldn't even back itself off. Even with help.
Had to get it towed.
I would hate to be that driver of the CR-V in the middle of deep winter and nobody around to help pull you down (or up) that tiny hill.
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Guess that's why you don't see Honda's in Rally/Off-Road racing all that much, if any.
If there's ever a some mud & snow on the streets or just a steep rabbit hill in their path, they might as well turn around and go home.
I'm surprised with such Limp abilities like that, you still see so many Hondas around here in Texas. Guess it's just because most of our land is so flat.
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Just watched the video..
Honda CR-V 2.0L AWD
SO Sad..
Couldn't even make it up pass the mole hill.! Gets stuck on the little crest and couldn't even back itself off. Even with help.
Had to get it towed.
I would hate to be that driver of the CR-V in the middle of deep winter and nobody around to help pull you down (or up) that tiny hill.
Honda CR-V 2.0L AWD
SO Sad..
Couldn't even make it up pass the mole hill.! Gets stuck on the little crest and couldn't even back itself off. Even with help.
Had to get it towed.
I would hate to be that driver of the CR-V in the middle of deep winter and nobody around to help pull you down (or up) that tiny hill.
It is pathetic how strongly the automotive journalists defend the CRV. For example here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s-Nn9PbofY
Go to 6:35 in the video and read the associated comments.
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From: Out towards the countryside of Dallas, TX (USA)
While they are also JATCO CVTs I believe they are not the same model.
Mitsubishi OS/RVR and Outlander has the JF011E model and within the Nissan family many models are used:
Juke/Cube/Note: JF015E
Rogue/Altima: JF016E/JF017E
Pathfinder/Maxima: JF018E
Murano: JF010E, as far as I know.
I have also heard that the AWD lock system in the Nissan models turns off above certain speed. Here is the link that backs up CottageLifer's comment ( see #3 and #4 posts):
http://www.pathfindertalk.com/forum/...-4wd-lock.html
Mitsubishi OS/RVR and Outlander has the JF011E model and within the Nissan family many models are used:
Juke/Cube/Note: JF015E
Rogue/Altima: JF016E/JF017E
Pathfinder/Maxima: JF018E
Murano: JF010E, as far as I know.
I have also heard that the AWD lock system in the Nissan models turns off above certain speed. Here is the link that backs up CottageLifer's comment ( see #3 and #4 posts):
http://www.pathfindertalk.com/forum/...-4wd-lock.html
They are peppy/responsive when we test drove them.
(And, "appeared" to be quieter than ours. Could just be more sound insulation, but still.)
Last edited by mRVRsport; Jun 25, 2015 at 12:50 PM.
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In my view it defeats the purpose of a CVT (I go even further, strictly speaking it should no longer be called CVT as the ratios are not CONTINUOUSLY changing but rather somewhat stepwise.).
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Here's some more real-world AWD testing (older video but still funny), just for grins >
Subaru AWD Uphill Comparison Test - YouTube
Subaru AWD Uphill Comparison Test - YouTube
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Not sure..
But, here's the massive video collection of every youtube vids of our OS/RVR/ASX there is, done by our member Wes >
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ou...o-reviews.html
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