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-   -   POLL: FP Red or BBK (https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/evo-engine-turbo-drivetrain/459915-poll-fp-red-bbk.html)

EriCS Dec 2, 2009 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by Turbo01s2k (Post 7762642)
I voted red, my BBK sucks :updown:

OOPs!

Steve93Talon Dec 2, 2009 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by mitsuevo803 (Post 7762042)
people with the BBK full on pump gas, post dynographs? (with whp and wtq)

I'm running a BBK Lite, the thing sees 25+psi by "just" over 3k in 3rd and made 390whp/366tq. I'm on HKS 280s & stock engine, straight 93 octane. AFRs are around 10.8:1, peak timing is around 15.

http://gallery.me.com/stevestrzempek...ite_93/web.jpg

CBRD_Caleb Dec 2, 2009 07:02 PM

at least you're not sarcastic alex.. LOL!

jeri534 Dec 2, 2009 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by mitsuevo803 (Post 7762042)
thats ok! i was wondering why you had posted that :lol: that thread with the 92 octane with Red and S1 cams (i think made like 421whp/399wtq). that curve looked sick and is making me want to go with the Red!

people with the BBK full on pump gas, post dynographs? (with whp and wtq)

Its not a BBK Full but Ill throw my FP Red pump graph into the mix

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...sh-racing.html

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../fpredtune.jpg

bbyevo8u Dec 2, 2009 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by EriCS (Post 7762870)
Pretty bold statement! Inform us on why you think it sucks...

i think he's joking?!

atkins Dec 2, 2009 10:01 PM

bbk full on pump at 27 psi



https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/at...k-ftw-scan.jpg


jeff

kyoo Dec 2, 2009 11:22 PM


Originally Posted by atkins (Post 7763599)

other mods? those numbers seem to hit pretty late in the powerband

CBRD Dec 3, 2009 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by kyooch (Post 7763739)
other mods? those numbers seem to hit pretty late in the powerband

CBRD Fmic, cams, ecu boost, turboback, etc...

cb

CBRD Dec 3, 2009 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by 06MREvo (Post 7762761)
BBK ahead by 6 now...didn't think that was gonna happen...I still haven't voted yet...I think ill wait to vote when the BBK-B comes out...{thumbup}

my computer glitched and it allowed me to vote 79 times,

lol jk

cb

94AWDcoupe Dec 3, 2009 06:40 AM

Goals are 400whp, 400wtq on Mustang Dyno or 450+whp and 425+wtq on Dynojet

I voted quickly on page one because for the goals you need to run 28ish psi on either turbo. at that level the BBK has proven to have better response and more power under the curve. Its just a better choice for the intended power goals.

at 35psi+ and 550whp+ goals the red stomps the BBK. but that is not the goals of this car.

RyuEvoIX Dec 3, 2009 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by mitsuevo803 (Post 7738003)
I don't mind a slightly slower spoolup hence why I'm probably going to go with the Red. I was thinking about GSC S1's (to keep the stock valvetrain) to replace the Greddy 264's. The Greddy's are more aggressive than the HKS and Brian Crower 272's (im talking about lift, not duration). And yeah, I mean I'd definately be happy with 400 wtq.

As for TTP's Mustang Dyno "reading high" when I go down there this spring I will definately be solving this "mystery". Right after leaving Scott's shop, I will most likely (depending on time) be going either to get dyno'd at another local Orlando Mustang Dyno or Top Speed's Dynojet in Atanta. Then once and for all this "TTP dyno reads high" BS can be put behind us. We're not letting this dyno stuff get into this thread though...please. I went into TTP in August or July (i forget) with a partial tune and left with 60+ whp and 60+ wtq at almost same boost levels (came in at 24psi left at 26psi)

And as for internals go, I believe Ryu hit like 500wtq on stock block, I can't remeber off the top of my head and I'm too lazy to go and check. Also I think TTP's shop car was somewhere around 520wtq on the stock block before he built it.

Thanks for all the input guys! {thumbup}

576wtq so far on stock internals. :)

Personally I would go with the Red. Out of all of the listed options in that class of turbo's it is the one that will give you the most room to grow down the line when you eventually want to crank the boost up with some sort or "race fuel" option.

I highly recommend either cosworth or Kelford 272 cams along with a Judge Racing ported intake manifold/exhaust manifold in combination with a Milspec 65mm TB. You will see huge gains in the midrange from those additions along with increased spool on the red vs unported stock parts.

evoxsi Dec 3, 2009 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by RyuEvoIX (Post 7764577)
576wtq so far on stock internals. :)

Personally I would go with the Red. Out of all of the listed options in that class of turbo's it is the one that will give you the most room to grow down the line when you eventually want to crank the boost up with some sort or "race fuel" option.

I highly recommend either cosworth or Kelford 272 cams along with a Judge Racing ported intake manifold/exhaust manifold in combination with a Milspec 65mm TB. You will see huge gains in the midrange from those additions along with increased spool on the red vs unported stock parts.

his goal is 400hp and pump gas so i dont c y he would need a red if the BBK will get him there with better response and a better curve. again ppl this is about whats better for this persons goals.

Turbo01s2k Dec 3, 2009 11:28 AM

Hhaa yes im kidding. I love my BBK, its a beast!

RyuEvoIX Dec 3, 2009 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by evoxsi (Post 7764866)
his goal is 400hp and pump gas so i dont c y he would need a red if the BBK will get him there with better response and a better curve. again ppl this is about whats better for this persons goals.

Todays goals are tomorrows disappointments. The op originally wanted 450whp, once he is used to 400whp then he will eventually plan for 450-500whp which will lead to having to buy another turbo after the bbk.

Show286 Dec 3, 2009 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by RyuEvoIX (Post 7764577)
576wtq so far on stock internals. :)

Personally I would go with the Red. Out of all of the listed options in that class of turbo's it is the one that will give you the most room to grow down the line when you eventually want to crank the boost up with some sort or "race fuel" option.

I highly recommend either cosworth or Kelford 272 cams along with a Judge Racing ported intake manifold/exhaust manifold in combination with a Milspec 65mm TB. You will see huge gains in the midrange from those additions along with increased spool on the red vs unported stock parts.

576wtq on the stock internals LOL. Gotta love TTP's dyno.


Go with BBK. You will hit your goals plus you will have a better power band than the Red.


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