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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 06:14 AM
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YO!!!!! man i've been mia due to work and other things. I can't believe the time came and your motor is installed and bay is looking crispp! That flat coating on the manifold came out nice man. ANy other engine/body/interior bling items you're going to add?

Regarding the exhaust issue, that was a concern for a few other folks also, but isn't there a way to make this preturbo inlet wg solution? What would be needed?
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Broham
YO!!!!! man i've been mia due to work and other things. I can't believe the time came and your motor is installed and bay is looking crispp! That flat coating on the manifold came out nice man. ANy other engine/body/interior bling items you're going to add?

Regarding the exhaust issue, that was a concern for a few other folks also, but isn't there a way to make this preturbo inlet wg solution? What would be needed?
Yea the exhaust issue as sparky stated is because of the 10.5 side but again the turbo can still get you 700 if you add dump and extra wastegate. Again the whole purpose of the stock frame is to get high whp and Monster spool speed to get there . So i mean if all you want is something like what mikey did very very impressive. or even lower. I mean every turbo has pros in cons there is no perfect turbo with no lag producing 1500whp in just 15psi in under 2k rpms lol so you have to accept good with the bad as i see it.

yea my car has been cranked and running for testing according to anthony and carlos so its alive and well. Should begin tuning i would think this week on pump. I also got a SpoolinUp CoP i did not want to take a chance at a misfire at high psi. thats not in the pics but should be on the car now. Also my GT spec chrome bar was not on etc. heres what i have coming in still

Fortune auto Stainless steel Bolts
Strictly Modified built 5 speed Transmission

While you were gone i made many deals got sharkbite2000s milspec t/b since mine was junk. made a crazy deal to get a built transmission Bought some replica bride seats for my Z and the Cop. I think i am done buying parts now LOL. There is nothing else i could really get enginewise besides the TC. ill wait and hold off on that till next year. I want to buy a Cf VG and some rotas. Not to mention i have the repaint coming up.
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by tscompusa
Where do you see bench racing? I seen Rock say he WANTED to go 10.9 with his setup. I see idiots coming in this thread and talking down about a turbo they dont know **** about as well.
check out mine ride, iam using 6765 front face, and been running 9s all summer long. Lag were not noticeble. You might wanna buy one and try it out or take a ride with somebody car that has a 6765 in it. Or, i can take u for a ride if we lived close to each other.
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by leonevox
check out mine ride, iam using 6765 front face, and been running 9s all summer long. Lag were not noticeble. You might wanna buy one and try it out or take a ride with somebody car that has a 6765 in it. Or, i can take u for a ride if we lived close to each other.
does a 6765 have full spool by 3800 rpms or lower?? Of course not that is the issue that is major lag hence what this whole conversation was about your full spool is problay 5000rpm - 5500rpms or even later from what i have read about it. thats laggy as hell and a huge problem when you AUTO X or ROAD COURSING. if it was all about dragging then cool but its not whichs puts any turbo higher then 35r range a waste of funds in my opinion. I dont need a laggy 700+ whp monster. thats not a fun street car or track car(autox roadcoursing TTA)
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by RockmanX
does a 6765 have full spool by 3800 rpms or lower?? Of course not that is the issue that is major lag hence what this whole conversation was about your full spool is problay 5000rpm - 5500rpms or even later from what i have read about it. thats laggy as hell and a huge problem when you AUTO X or ROAD COURSING. if it was all about dragging then cool but its not whichs puts any turbo higher then 35r range a waste of funds in my opinion. I dont need a laggy 700+ whp monster. thats not a fun street car or track car(autox roadcoursing TTA)
even it wont have full spool by 3800, them dual ball bearing will help spool to 5k rpm very fast. Yours fpblack are journal bearing not ball bearing. You should try spin your fpblack and try spin the ball bearing one with your hand or mouth you will know what iam talking about. Or u can youtube it. Iam not BS you rockman, i had try different turbo already.
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by leonevox
even it wont have full spool by 3800, them dual ball bearing will help spool to 5k rpm very fast. Yours fpblack are journal bearing not ball bearing. You should try spin your fpblack and try spin the ball bearing one with your hand or mouth you will know what iam talking about. Or u can youtube it. Iam not BS you rockman, i had try different turbo already.
bro you really need to proff read your post its like you be chinese or somthing lol no bashing just hard to read allot of time.

hey Rock click my link and this might be helpful dont know if you have ever seen it. its to help with the stroker motor and FP Black issues.

External Wastegate/o2 kit
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by BEISSEN
bro you really need to proff read your post its like you be chinese or somthing lol no bashing just hard to read allot of time.

hey Rock click my link and this might be helpful dont know if you have ever seen it. its to help with the stroker motor and FP Black issues.

External Wastegate/o2 kit

dude, your spelling isnt a lot better than mine.
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by leonevox
dude, your spelling isnt a lot better than mine.
I'm not bashing you, I am saying read what you have posted and its hard to understand what you are saying allot of the time.
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BEISSEN
I'm not bashing you, I am saying read what you have posted and its hard to understand what you are saying allot of the time.
So true i fiqure i have to get a decoder ring to read it sometimes but i understand the lanuage barrier. Why the heck do i need to buy a 777 dollar part. thats crazy expensive. I understand what it does but i need to get into the car first and see how it reacts to what i want. Not to mention again another stupid dump. I dont want the extra smell nor the noise produced by it at all. No interest in that at this time. I just had a guy from New mexico get transferred to the base last week. LOL he happens to have a evo fully built with a dump tube. Its WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to loud and I am going to help him fix a couple things up on his evo and help him modify his exterior. I dont want that. the meger whp it will produce is not worth it to me as i dont want my car smelling even worse dumping more gas in the bay its bad enough i have a test pipe but ill hold my 777 dollars till i get my car tuned by jms and see how it turns out.

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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 11:15 AM
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u can re route them open dump wg back into the down pipe or exhuast.
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by RockmanX
So true i fiqure i have to get a decoder ring to read it sometimes but i understand the lanuage barrier. Why the heck do i need to buy a 777 dollar part. thats crazy expensive. I understand what it does but i need to get into the car first and see how it reacts to what i want. Not to mention again another stupid dump. I dont want the extra smell nor the noise produced by it at all. No interest in that at this time. I just had a guy from New mexico get transferred to the base last week. LOL he happens to have a evo fully built with a dump tube. Its WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to loud and I am going to help him fix a couple things up on his evo and help him modify his exterior. I dont want that. the meger whp it will produce is not worth it to me as i dont want my car smelling even worse dumping more gas in the bay its bad enough i have a test pipe but ill hold my 777 dollars till i get my car tuned by jms and see how it turns out.
LOL, Leonevox is correct once you get around his language barrier lol. If you have a issues later with the preasure, I found you a fix now STFU and say thanks foolj/k

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u can re route them open dump wg back into the down pipe or exhuast.
-----Read the differance----
You can re route the open dump WG back into the Down pipe/exhaust.
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BEISSEN
LOL, Leonevox is correct once you get around his language barrier lol. If you have a issues later with the preasure, I found you a fix now STFU and say thanks foolj/k



-----Read the differance----
You can re route the open dump WG back into the Down pipe/exhaust.

your spelling are so horrible and u trying to correct me ? LOL
why dont u just start focusing on the OP thread instead of me buddy, thanks a lot.
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 11:26 AM
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Open dump is FTW

Rockman, you won't be getting the open dump unless you're in WOT.
When not in WOT, you can't tell the car has an external gate or externally dumped gate. I rock the EPM o2 Dump, and under normal driving, there's not a peep from it. Only under full boost does it open up, and when it does, it sounds like teh sex.
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 11:37 AM
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From a cost perpective the FP Black is still king but from a performance perspective I would love to see hp/area under the curve plots for a Black and say a BB 6262 or similar turbo. I wonder if the numbers would be closer then you think.

I think lag is over rated. If you are running a bigger turbo but make more power then a smaller turbo at the same RPM then lag is irrelevant at that point. I would think the boost tapering off versus a 6262 or similar holding it until redline would be a concern as well.

Not for Rock since those are not his goals. I was all about the FP Black up until this weekend. I did some searching on this site and had a few PM's from reputable people/shops that have me thinking about going slightly bigger.

Its all in the parts combo right. The right turbo, manifold, cams, compression, tuner, etc can make a turbo's response see to defy logic. There have been more then a few threads that have proven this.

Anyways glad to see the car coming along. Can't wait to see the numbers. its going to suck when its over. Like waiting for the big EVENT and then after the climax.........what are we going to look forward to. LOL.
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 12:36 PM
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well at the end of the day this is "rock's thread", it's good to say tips/tricks and suggestions. But telling him to go 6262 or insinuating the blacks downsides and to go bigger isn't the right venue. People don't seem to mention the cost. Cost. one more time. COST. the most optimal kit for a larger setup is a twin scroll 3586 or 3582 etc. But that is double the black in price. DOUBLE. and for what? higher tq, higher hp, and better turbine housing. But rock wanted the black and itll do more than enough for his goals. Everybody doesnt want to go slooo sloooo then BAM!!! thats the 6262 and 3586. not everybody likes this style. Even Buschur said his favorite car is a 2.3 fp red. Why? Because it is. It's that simple.

How did this turn into a spelling thread and "do a t3 turbo thread"?
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