Rockmanx Fp Black Complete Build thread.
you clearly have no idea how a turbo system works if you think a short route upper pipe is the same as your restrictive injen upper pipe. Your pipe will restrict the airflow before it goes into the intake manifold.. its going to SLOW DOWN the airflow.. and yes it will rob horsepower, just like my perrin robbed me horsepower. I told you this now about 15 times, you fail to listen.
If you were airflow would you want to be going around 90degree bends to get to your destination or would you want to go through smooth and softer bends? Tell me this.. whos going to go from point a to point b faster?
you have 2 cars, one car has a track with smooth S turns, while another car has a track with S turns and 90degree turns.. the car is going to have to brake hard for the 90degree turns, similar to what the airflow is going to be doing inside that injen pipe when it hits that 90degree rough turn before the intake manifold.. this is common sense, you just have to think alittle about it. The upper pipes are not made for show.. This goes for pipe diameter as well. Depending on the size of turbo and how much air it has to push through the ic piping a 3" may perform better then a 2.5" but going from a 2.5" to a 3.0" will lag response and spool, but can you sacrifice low for high? yes..
The restriction isn't going to be anymore then 15whp but thats not the point, its going to create hotter air along with loss of HP so its a lose/lose situation on your behalf. plus the injen pipe is placed closer to the engine as well, which will assist even more with heat issues. I could sit here and knit pick the pipe to hell to the point no one would ever want one on their evo again, but i think you get the idea.
The more airflow you push through the pipes, the larger the loss of power you will create. Similar to my fmic issue, but not as severe.
If you were airflow would you want to be going around 90degree bends to get to your destination or would you want to go through smooth and softer bends? Tell me this.. whos going to go from point a to point b faster?
you have 2 cars, one car has a track with smooth S turns, while another car has a track with S turns and 90degree turns.. the car is going to have to brake hard for the 90degree turns, similar to what the airflow is going to be doing inside that injen pipe when it hits that 90degree rough turn before the intake manifold.. this is common sense, you just have to think alittle about it. The upper pipes are not made for show.. This goes for pipe diameter as well. Depending on the size of turbo and how much air it has to push through the ic piping a 3" may perform better then a 2.5" but going from a 2.5" to a 3.0" will lag response and spool, but can you sacrifice low for high? yes..
The restriction isn't going to be anymore then 15whp but thats not the point, its going to create hotter air along with loss of HP so its a lose/lose situation on your behalf. plus the injen pipe is placed closer to the engine as well, which will assist even more with heat issues. I could sit here and knit pick the pipe to hell to the point no one would ever want one on their evo again, but i think you get the idea.
The more airflow you push through the pipes, the larger the loss of power you will create. Similar to my fmic issue, but not as severe.
Last edited by tscompusa2; Jul 28, 2010 at 12:22 PM.
Wow she sounds nasty man!
Good job. Get to the dyno!
Good job. Get to the dyno!
yup yup yup just waiting on one more major part to come in and its all good but they can dyno without the built tranny. I just wanted you to see your badass CoP in action doing what its suppose to do looks good man thanks for making me one and shipping was quick.
tscompusa i understand what airflow is doing. trust me i read up on this like what a year plus ago. the upper pipe has shown to give no gains period. You can pm me a couple of dyno test that show people making more then 2whp from a change in pipe. I have seen 700+ evos rocking the injen pipes to perfection. Grant very informative post if i decide to change my upper pipe as my lower one is a AMS custom now ill do it. i dont feel like its needed to change my upper pipe intake and relocate the bov i have already done so many touch ups on the injen upper and intake im keep it for now. long as i make my goal is all thats required. positive i will after seeing it in action.
tscompusa i understand what airflow is doing. trust me i read up on this like what a year plus ago. the upper pipe has shown to give no gains period. You can pm me a couple of dyno test that show people making more then 2whp from a change in pipe. I have seen 700+ evos rocking the injen pipes to perfection. Grant very informative post if i decide to change my upper pipe as my lower one is a AMS custom now ill do it. i dont feel like its needed to change my upper pipe intake and relocate the bov i have already done so many touch ups on the injen upper and intake im keep it for now. long as i make my goal is all thats required. positive i will after seeing it in action.
At 400whp+ there are definitely gains to be made from upgrading the restrictive Injen UICP. Especially when you consider it's not a complete 2.5" pipe and the super sharp bends.
All those threads that you've read that claim there is no power to be made from the UICP are all at close to stock levels. Add a FP black and the things that don't make power for the stock turbo start to make power for you.
tscompusa i understand what airflow is doing. trust me i read up on this like what a year plus ago. the upper pipe has shown to give no gains period. You can pm me a couple of dyno test that show people making more then 2whp from a change in pipe. I have seen 700+ evos rocking the injen pipes to perfection. Grant very informative post if i decide to change my upper pipe as my lower one is a AMS custom now ill do it. i dont feel like its needed to change my upper pipe intake and relocate the bov i have already done so many touch ups on the injen upper and intake im keep it for now. long as i make my goal is all thats required. positive i will after seeing it in action.
I'd go with a relocated battery over the small battery.
At 400whp+ there are definitely gains to be made from upgrading the restrictive Injen UICP. Especially when you consider it's not a complete 2.5" pipe and the super sharp bends.
All those threads that you've read that claim there is no power to be made from the UICP are all at close to stock levels. Add a FP black and the things that don't make power for the stock turbo start to make power for you.
At 400whp+ there are definitely gains to be made from upgrading the restrictive Injen UICP. Especially when you consider it's not a complete 2.5" pipe and the super sharp bends.
All those threads that you've read that claim there is no power to be made from the UICP are all at close to stock levels. Add a FP black and the things that don't make power for the stock turbo start to make power for you.
Btw grimrpr9 your t/b was shipped already jorge just informed me
Last edited by RockmanX; Jul 28, 2010 at 02:49 PM.
