Best bolt on gt30 kit ATP vs Vishnu vs Buschur
Mine wasn't good for 420djawhp either. I suppose if I had a much more aggressive tune, it might be possible, but with an overly aggressive tune I wouldn't trust pushing the car either.
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Originally Posted by Supernaut
How in the hack do you get 98 octane? 
I figure a 3071-37-76R would be good for atleast 420WHP on a dyno jet on pump gas?

I figure a 3071-37-76R would be good for atleast 420WHP on a dyno jet on pump gas?
Or at least thats what happens in MI when you can only get 92-94 and 100.
Originally Posted by Ludikraut
Nice charts. You should see if TT is willing to give you a copy of the dynorun files. I'd really like to see your graph overlaid over my AMS 3071.
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Originally Posted by Supernaut
How in the hack do you get 98 octane? 
I figure a 3071-37-76R would be good for atleast 420WHP on a dyno jet on pump gas?

I figure a 3071-37-76R would be good for atleast 420WHP on a dyno jet on pump gas?
I don't think you'll get your 420 whp/dynojet on pump unless you build a stroker. Otherwise you have to play with fuel; Octane or injection.
Originally Posted by Jaylenospoolboy
Here they are but in Zip format. How do you post them up without scanning them?
I had the 98 map made so I don't have to drain the tank when I switch fuels.
I don't think you'll get your 420 whp/dynojet on pump unless you build a stroker. Otherwise you have to play with fuel; Octane or injection.
I had the 98 map made so I don't have to drain the tank when I switch fuels.
I don't think you'll get your 420 whp/dynojet on pump unless you build a stroker. Otherwise you have to play with fuel; Octane or injection.
1) get the dynojet winpep run viewer (I prefer the slightly older viewer found here)
2) load up the runs you want to post/compare
3) In Windows, hit [Alt]+[Print Screen], then open MS Paint, paste the screen shot, save as JPG, resize JPG as necessary for EvoM ... and ...
4) post
Lemme know if you want me to post a comparo.

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this is simple question of cost....with ATP you get what you pay for.....but i can't justify paying $4k for vishnu's setup when i can get a AMS kit for only $400 more and i shouldn't have to say that AMS has proven themselfs over and over again. Buscher seems to win out of these 3 b/c of the cost. but if your spending more than $3300 than it would be dumb not to go AMS
Originally Posted by Nez136
this is simple question of cost....with ATP you get what you pay for.....but i can't justify paying $4k for vishnu's setup when i can get a AMS kit for only $400 more and i shouldn't have to say that AMS has proven themselfs over and over again. Buscher seems to win out of these 3 b/c of the cost. but if your spending more than $3300 than it would be dumb not to go AMS
Originally Posted by jj_008
Vishnu's kit comes w/ injectors. Depending on injector costs, Vishnu's kit is roughly $800-$1000 cheaper.
Originally Posted by Ludikraut
Wow, sweet! Thanks mang. As far as posting them you:
1) get the dynojet winpep run viewer (I prefer the slightly older viewer found here)
2) load up the runs you want to post/compare
3) In Windows, hit [Alt]+[Print Screen], then open MS Paint, paste the screen shot, save as JPG, resize JPG as necessary for EvoM ... and ...
4) post
Lemme know if you want me to post a comparo.
l8r)
1) get the dynojet winpep run viewer (I prefer the slightly older viewer found here)
2) load up the runs you want to post/compare
3) In Windows, hit [Alt]+[Print Screen], then open MS Paint, paste the screen shot, save as JPG, resize JPG as necessary for EvoM ... and ...
4) post
Lemme know if you want me to post a comparo.

l8r)
Originally Posted by Az3ar
Almost a year ago I called Garrett and I had along nice chat with a guy about ATP kit and their hot side.
He confirmed many times that it was designed and developed by Garrett and ATP had a hand in too.
Their hot side requires alot of work so I don’t think that ATP (~5 employees in total) can develop such hot side alone with no real help.
It’s a cast part and its no easy job to do in fact no vendor here had made such a thing.
He confirmed many times that it was designed and developed by Garrett and ATP had a hand in too.
Their hot side requires alot of work so I don’t think that ATP (~5 employees in total) can develop such hot side alone with no real help.
It’s a cast part and its no easy job to do in fact no vendor here had made such a thing.
Also, ATP have a variety of hotsides of their own design and manufacture. Check their website. Casting and machining a hotside requires some know-how, no doubt. ATP and several other non-Evo companies are doing it. Doesn't mean everyone can do it as well as Garrett, even with a direct relationship with them.
Please check your sources. Who at Garrett did you speak with?
Originally Posted by Supernaut
How in the hack do you get 98 octane? 
I figure a 3071-37-76R would be good for atleast 420WHP on a dyno jet on pump gas?

I figure a 3071-37-76R would be good for atleast 420WHP on a dyno jet on pump gas?
You would think with all your tuning skills and experience, you would know that a 10.5 hotside makes more power than a 9.8, that a tubular manifold on a stock turbo does nothing, that 420whp on pump with a 3037 or 3071 isnt very easy and please tell me you where kidding about the 98 thing.
But where all probably wrong here, after all Supernot has been tuning these cars/turbos since the early 90's and what he says is fact.
Cant wait to see your childish none factual responce. OK, now Im done with you.
Last edited by statix; Aug 29, 2005 at 11:47 PM.
Originally Posted by Jaylenospoolboy
Yeah, put them up!


IMO this is a fairly close comparison of turbo kits, since both Jay and I run the XEDE. However, it's still not a 1:1 comparison, since my mods are more extensive than Jays (Jay, you might wanna list yours).
My list of mods:
- Vishnu Signature Series exhaust (3")
- Vishnu HF cat (cat and test pipe converted to full v-band flanges)
- AMS GT3071 turbo kit
- AMS built 2.0 liter (ross pistons, crower rods, built valvetrain)
- AMS FMIC
- K&N intake
- HKS 280 cams
- Vishnu Camgears set to -2 intake / 0 exhaust
- Greddy Type-S BOV
- Vishnu XEDE piggyback
- XEDEflashed ECU
- Innovate LM-1/LC-1
- Rotorpro rotors/Hawk HPS pads/SS brake lines/brake ducts
- Mitsubishi brake ducts
- Custom brake ducting
- SS clutch line ... STOCK CLUTCH
As can be seen, my 3071 kit spools IDENTICAL to Jay's 3076 ... now before everyone runs off in all kinds of directions with wild speculations, let me say this: I personally believe that the engine buildup on my car (built block in combination with the HKS 280s) is why it is not spooling as quickly as it should. AMS and I have eliminated every other variable we could think of.
Fire in the hole!

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I hit a little under 440whp w/ my atp gt3071r (92 octane, meth injection @ 25psi), spool is 300rpms later than stock for me. I've had my atp kit on for almost 2 yrs and 20k miles...and I still have yet to squeeze out more hp from it...its not even maxed yet
Sorry, but noone can argue with me about my HP numbers from a FULL kit that was less than 2500 bucks.
I'm happy.
Sorry, but noone can argue with me about my HP numbers from a FULL kit that was less than 2500 bucks.I'm happy.
Last edited by mobounce; Aug 30, 2005 at 08:39 AM.
Originally Posted by Ludikraut
Ok, this should stir up some controversy ... 
IMO this is a fairly close comparison of turbo kits, since both Jay and I run the XEDE. However, it's still not a 1:1 comparison, since my mods are more extensive than Jays (Jay, you might wanna list yours).
My list of mods:
- Vishnu Signature Series exhaust (3")
- Vishnu HF cat (cat and test pipe converted to full v-band flanges)
- AMS GT3071 turbo kit
- AMS built 2.0 liter (ross pistons, crower rods, built valvetrain)
- AMS FMIC
- K&N intake
- HKS 280 cams
- Vishnu Camgears set to -2 intake / 0 exhaust
- Greddy Type-S BOV
- Vishnu XEDE piggyback
- XEDEflashed ECU
- Innovate LM-1/LC-1
- Rotorpro rotors/Hawk HPS pads/SS brake lines/brake ducts
- Mitsubishi brake ducts
- Custom brake ducting
- SS clutch line ... STOCK CLUTCH
As can be seen, my 3071 kit spools IDENTICAL to Jay's 3076 ... now before everyone runs off in all kinds of directions with wild speculations, let me say this: I personally believe that the engine buildup on my car (built block in combination with the HKS 280s) is why it is not spooling as quickly as it should. AMS and I have eliminated every other variable we could think of.
Fire in the hole!
l8r)

IMO this is a fairly close comparison of turbo kits, since both Jay and I run the XEDE. However, it's still not a 1:1 comparison, since my mods are more extensive than Jays (Jay, you might wanna list yours).
My list of mods:
- Vishnu Signature Series exhaust (3")
- Vishnu HF cat (cat and test pipe converted to full v-band flanges)
- AMS GT3071 turbo kit
- AMS built 2.0 liter (ross pistons, crower rods, built valvetrain)
- AMS FMIC
- K&N intake
- HKS 280 cams
- Vishnu Camgears set to -2 intake / 0 exhaust
- Greddy Type-S BOV
- Vishnu XEDE piggyback
- XEDEflashed ECU
- Innovate LM-1/LC-1
- Rotorpro rotors/Hawk HPS pads/SS brake lines/brake ducts
- Mitsubishi brake ducts
- Custom brake ducting
- SS clutch line ... STOCK CLUTCH
As can be seen, my 3071 kit spools IDENTICAL to Jay's 3076 ... now before everyone runs off in all kinds of directions with wild speculations, let me say this: I personally believe that the engine buildup on my car (built block in combination with the HKS 280s) is why it is not spooling as quickly as it should. AMS and I have eliminated every other variable we could think of.
Fire in the hole!

l8r)
looks good. Did you dyno on any other fuels?
The difference might be the 272/272, -2,-2 vs the 280's. You can see how the 280's hold on longer. Might also have something to do with the cam gear settings?
Mine were 3rd gear pulls except for the last one which did 460 on 109. That one was a 4th gear pull.
You might also want to look at the Xede Maps on Shiv's sticky Re: Launch control. That may tell part of the story too.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...=151888&page=1


