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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 02:13 PM
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How in the hack do you get 98 octane?

I figure a 3071-37-76R would be good for atleast 420WHP on a dyno jet on pump gas?
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 02:16 PM
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Mine wasn't good for 420djawhp either. I suppose if I had a much more aggressive tune, it might be possible, but with an overly aggressive tune I wouldn't trust pushing the car either.

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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Supernaut
How in the hack do you get 98 octane?

I figure a 3071-37-76R would be good for atleast 420WHP on a dyno jet on pump gas?
You fill your nearly empty tank containing pump premium with 100 octane unleaded.

Or at least thats what happens in MI when you can only get 92-94 and 100.
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 02:25 PM
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hehehe, so this is an exact science
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Ludikraut
Nice charts. You should see if TT is willing to give you a copy of the dynorun files. I'd really like to see your graph overlaid over my AMS 3071.

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Here they are but in Zip format. How do you post them up without scanning them?

Originally Posted by Supernaut
How in the hack do you get 98 octane?

I figure a 3071-37-76R would be good for atleast 420WHP on a dyno jet on pump gas?
I had the 98 map made so I don't have to drain the tank when I switch fuels.

I don't think you'll get your 420 whp/dynojet on pump unless you build a stroker. Otherwise you have to play with fuel; Octane or injection.
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaylenospoolboy
Here they are but in Zip format. How do you post them up without scanning them?



I had the 98 map made so I don't have to drain the tank when I switch fuels.

I don't think you'll get your 420 whp/dynojet on pump unless you build a stroker. Otherwise you have to play with fuel; Octane or injection.
Wow, sweet! Thanks mang. As far as posting them you:
1) get the dynojet winpep run viewer (I prefer the slightly older viewer found here)
2) load up the runs you want to post/compare
3) In Windows, hit [Alt]+[Print Screen], then open MS Paint, paste the screen shot, save as JPG, resize JPG as necessary for EvoM ... and ...
4) post

Lemme know if you want me to post a comparo.

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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 02:41 PM
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this is simple question of cost....with ATP you get what you pay for.....but i can't justify paying $4k for vishnu's setup when i can get a AMS kit for only $400 more and i shouldn't have to say that AMS has proven themselfs over and over again. Buscher seems to win out of these 3 b/c of the cost. but if your spending more than $3300 than it would be dumb not to go AMS
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Nez136
this is simple question of cost....with ATP you get what you pay for.....but i can't justify paying $4k for vishnu's setup when i can get a AMS kit for only $400 more and i shouldn't have to say that AMS has proven themselfs over and over again. Buscher seems to win out of these 3 b/c of the cost. but if your spending more than $3300 than it would be dumb not to go AMS
Vishnu's kit comes w/ injectors. Depending on injector costs, Vishnu's kit is roughly $800-$1000 cheaper.
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 02:47 PM
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Vishnu's kit comes w/ injectors. Depending on injector costs, Vishnu's kit is roughly $800-$1000 cheaper.
I did not know this!, SWEET, than i would say Vishnu wins this match hands down!
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Ludikraut
Wow, sweet! Thanks mang. As far as posting them you:
1) get the dynojet winpep run viewer (I prefer the slightly older viewer found here)
2) load up the runs you want to post/compare
3) In Windows, hit [Alt]+[Print Screen], then open MS Paint, paste the screen shot, save as JPG, resize JPG as necessary for EvoM ... and ...
4) post

Lemme know if you want me to post a comparo.

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Yeah, put them up!
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 10:47 PM
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Almost a year ago I called Garrett and I had along nice chat with a guy about ATP kit and their hot side.

He confirmed many times that it was designed and developed by Garrett and ATP had a hand in too.

Their hot side requires alot of work so I don’t think that ATP (~5 employees in total) can develop such hot side alone with no real help.

It’s a cast part and its no easy job to do in fact no vendor here had made such a thing.
It's the other way around-- the ATP Evo hotside was conceived, and manufactured by ATP with some design guidance by Garrett. As a Garrett distributor, ATP are privy to design considerations that others are not. It's one of the advantages of being a Garrett distributor. ATP themselves will tell you this. They will also confirm that the hotside in question is not of Garrett's design and manufacture. ATP's owner's name is George; drop him a line at the number in my earlier post.

Also, ATP have a variety of hotsides of their own design and manufacture. Check their website. Casting and machining a hotside requires some know-how, no doubt. ATP and several other non-Evo companies are doing it. Doesn't mean everyone can do it as well as Garrett, even with a direct relationship with them.

Please check your sources. Who at Garrett did you speak with?
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Supernaut
How in the hack do you get 98 octane?

I figure a 3071-37-76R would be good for atleast 420WHP on a dyno jet on pump gas?
Go figure, seems your GUESSESS are a bit off.
You would think with all your tuning skills and experience, you would know that a 10.5 hotside makes more power than a 9.8, that a tubular manifold on a stock turbo does nothing, that 420whp on pump with a 3037 or 3071 isnt very easy and please tell me you where kidding about the 98 thing.
But where all probably wrong here, after all Supernot has been tuning these cars/turbos since the early 90's and what he says is fact.
Cant wait to see your childish none factual responce. OK, now Im done with you.

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Old Aug 30, 2005 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaylenospoolboy
Yeah, put them up!
Ok, this should stir up some controversy ...

IMO this is a fairly close comparison of turbo kits, since both Jay and I run the XEDE. However, it's still not a 1:1 comparison, since my mods are more extensive than Jays (Jay, you might wanna list yours).

My list of mods:
- Vishnu Signature Series exhaust (3")
- Vishnu HF cat (cat and test pipe converted to full v-band flanges)
- AMS GT3071 turbo kit
- AMS built 2.0 liter (ross pistons, crower rods, built valvetrain)
- AMS FMIC
- K&N intake
- HKS 280 cams
- Vishnu Camgears set to -2 intake / 0 exhaust
- Greddy Type-S BOV
- Vishnu XEDE piggyback
- XEDEflashed ECU
- Innovate LM-1/LC-1
- Rotorpro rotors/Hawk HPS pads/SS brake lines/brake ducts
- Mitsubishi brake ducts
- Custom brake ducting
- SS clutch line ... STOCK CLUTCH

As can be seen, my 3071 kit spools IDENTICAL to Jay's 3076 ... now before everyone runs off in all kinds of directions with wild speculations, let me say this: I personally believe that the engine buildup on my car (built block in combination with the HKS 280s) is why it is not spooling as quickly as it should. AMS and I have eliminated every other variable we could think of.

Fire in the hole!

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Old Aug 30, 2005 | 08:10 AM
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I hit a little under 440whp w/ my atp gt3071r (92 octane, meth injection @ 25psi), spool is 300rpms later than stock for me. I've had my atp kit on for almost 2 yrs and 20k miles...and I still have yet to squeeze out more hp from it...its not even maxed yet Sorry, but noone can argue with me about my HP numbers from a FULL kit that was less than 2500 bucks.

I'm happy.

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Old Aug 30, 2005 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Ludikraut
Ok, this should stir up some controversy ...

IMO this is a fairly close comparison of turbo kits, since both Jay and I run the XEDE. However, it's still not a 1:1 comparison, since my mods are more extensive than Jays (Jay, you might wanna list yours).

My list of mods:
- Vishnu Signature Series exhaust (3")
- Vishnu HF cat (cat and test pipe converted to full v-band flanges)
- AMS GT3071 turbo kit
- AMS built 2.0 liter (ross pistons, crower rods, built valvetrain)
- AMS FMIC
- K&N intake
- HKS 280 cams
- Vishnu Camgears set to -2 intake / 0 exhaust
- Greddy Type-S BOV
- Vishnu XEDE piggyback
- XEDEflashed ECU
- Innovate LM-1/LC-1
- Rotorpro rotors/Hawk HPS pads/SS brake lines/brake ducts
- Mitsubishi brake ducts
- Custom brake ducting
- SS clutch line ... STOCK CLUTCH

As can be seen, my 3071 kit spools IDENTICAL to Jay's 3076 ... now before everyone runs off in all kinds of directions with wild speculations, let me say this: I personally believe that the engine buildup on my car (built block in combination with the HKS 280s) is why it is not spooling as quickly as it should. AMS and I have eliminated every other variable we could think of.


Fire in the hole!

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Hee hee!

looks good. Did you dyno on any other fuels?

The difference might be the 272/272, -2,-2 vs the 280's. You can see how the 280's hold on longer. Might also have something to do with the cam gear settings?

Mine were 3rd gear pulls except for the last one which did 460 on 109. That one was a 4th gear pull.

You might also want to look at the Xede Maps on Shiv's sticky Re: Launch control. That may tell part of the story too.

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