I'm concerned about an issue that only came to my attention because I was directly affected by it.

I had posts deleted from a thread. It's a thread you've seen a thousand times before. Some newbie asking what his best first mods might be. I disagreed with something that had been posted (in this case, a fuel pump) because I'd never heard a fuel pump is a sensible first mod. I still have yet to be convinced of that, but that's not the point.

My post was deleted. Someone else in that same thread had a post deleted.

I was very civil about the disagreement in the thread and asked the primary individual that had a strong counter-opinion to tell me why he felt so strongly the way he did. I invited both in-thread and private as options for that feedback. He chose private feedback. He was condescending and insulting - so I guess it was better he wasn't replying in the thread.

If there is a zero-tolerance policy then perhaps folks should realize differences of opinion are a two-edged sword. Allowing civil discussion on the matter in the thread in question would be very informational to all EvoM readers allowing everyone to make up their own minds.

Second, if posts are deleted why aren't the posters notified of the deletion? How am I or anyone else supposed to understand that our post was somehow unacceptable? I received no communication, justification nor rationalization as to why it was deleted.

Lastly, given this was a difference of opinion (even if it involved someone's ignorance to a problem), deleting a counter-opinion (especially one that EXPLICITLY asks for clarification for the counter-recommendation) just perpetuates some fascist approach to knowledge-sharing "Our opinion or NOBODY'S!"

My thoughts. Anyone else?

Right now, deleting posts seems to be a self-serving measure only for someone's nebulous agenda.

 

Well said, yeah same sh1tt happened to me.

 

Well said. I do see your point and now ponder the same question.

 

To my knowledge none of the mod staff pm's people upon deletion of a single post, that would fill up all of our box's with pm's daily. Most of the staff however does pm upon deletion of a thread you created.

If you posted a link to which thread you are mentioning, I will take a look at it.

 

Thank you, RobertK. The thread is here: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=188444

My post actually still appears in a Warrtalon reply to it. I've PM'd the mod for that forum as well just tonight. No answer yet. Thank you again.

 

You made a potentially very damaging post about fuel pumps. It was something that is common knowledge to everyone, and if any newbie happened to read it, it could have been disastrous. It was deleted because it is not a difference of opinion, but a case of you not knowing one of the most basic things when modding an Evo - a fuel pump is 100% needed before a turbo upgrade and to suggest otherwise is wrong and very dangerous.

 

If that were explained in the thread it would be informative, not only to me, but to all reading it. Having it deleted serves no purpose other than to confuse those who a)read it already and b) see what replies do appear.

Warrtalon questions:

1) So, were you the one that deleted it? Whom did you have delete it if not you?

2) Was it necessary in your PM to me replying on this topic you call me ignorant and assinine?

It IS a relief to know you can phrase your feedback in a more constructive manner. However, after your condescending and scathing manner my respect for you here has dropped considerably.

I will note that Al from Dynoflash now will not flash a vehicle for above stock boost pressures without a Walbro 255 being installed on the car. To my knowledge he's the only one making such a stand. I'd like to see more of this should it be the case. I don't read every thread here so yes, I'd not seen the apparent link being made between stock fuel pumps and massive engine failure.

My points in this thread's initial post still stand and are not refuted.

 

This is common knowledge, yet you blatantly said that there's no reason to upgrade the fuel pump on the stock turbo. You had no idea what you're talking about and were endangering anyone who read your post. You are asking me to explain something that is common to everyone in the Evo community, yet you didn't bother to understand what you were saying before posting it. You can't explain why there is no need to upgrade the fuel pump, but that didn't stop you from making a blatant and false statement that could jeapordize the safety of any Evo who read it, yet you want me to waste my time explaining myself to you on something that is already common knowledge. Pardon me if I don't feel like explaining things that are common knowledge - it is tiresome. The scathing comments you got in PMs were deserved - you made a terrible mistake, and it scares me that you've gone to your level of modding without understanding such a basic thing.

 

My experience was the exact opposite. I had a post I started in evo general regarding 0-60 times deleted and was not informed why (presumably because a mod thought it was encouraging street racing).

Then when I was offensive, I had my post removed and got a PM warning me (I deserved the warning, and was man enough to publically appologize to the person involved).

Why dont the mods just lock a thread if it becomes out of hand or is unappropriate?

 

You're dragging this off-topic and taking a whole lot of your precious time repeating yourself without answering the question of whether you deleted it and who it was you told/asked to do so. Interestingly enough no mods are responding.

Why don't you start a "Common knowledge" Warrtalon thread. Better yet, an upgrade schedule for all the noobs and uninformed so they can live life the Warrtalon way.

A fuel pump was early enough in my build to keep me protected from this. All I had was a Works flash and an exhaust until the "big bang" that started with a fuel pump.

In the meantime realize this thread isn't about you, sorry to you AND your ego. It's about the moderation of this site. So please, kindly, STFU.

 

... and, moderators, why wouldn't THIS post be deleted from THIS thread?

 

+1 After reading i definitly see your point Kazz. Now kazz you know the mods wont delete anything from warrtalon that just wont happen. He does have a point and is looking out for i guess future memebers,someone new could of read that and thought that a fuel pump is not needed.

 

It didn't deserve to be deleted.
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If it's common knowledge, why doesn't Buschur themselves have a fuel pump replacement in their staged kits until stage #4? Vishnu doesn't include it as a first stage. AMS doesn't include it even as a common option in their stage 1. The counter to this, of course, is Al from Dynoflash mandating customers have an FP upgrade before he'll sell a Dynoflash.

I'm not an idiot and I can communicate with human beings effectively without insulting, denigrating, or being condescending to them. You're telling people what to do with their cars instead of educating. And I doubt you have the patience to teach.

There, now this post is off topic as well - wonder if it will be deleted. I'm sure if Warrtalon wants it to be it'll disappear.

 

Agreed!