Just lemme know who to give my credit card number too =)

 

I want a DYNOFLASH TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Count me in. Have the cash in hand.

 

Too Bad its EVOS only I would pay to have my lancer reflashed. Oh well their loss.

 

I am going to get with those Alamo guys tomorrow to set a date - hopefully in November - and then we can start taking some deposits and confirming the plans

I'm looking forward to getting out to TX - btw what kind of gas do you guys have down there ?

 

My only hesitation is that Al's flash has not been proven in the Texas heat as the Works has... Hands down, Al makes the power... it's the long term on a daily driver I'm worried about. Al has stated that he uses more fuel and timing than Works... It's the timing and knock thresh hold in the heat down here that gives to caution...

Al, care to give us a break down of timing vs. fuel compared to Works? You openly talking about the what and whys is your greatest selling point second to the proven power your flash makes.

 

Later in November is better... 93 octane at almost every pump here...

 

Well - let me say a few things on this subject

First - a general observation and query - WHAT is the point exactly of having a dyno day to install off the shelf generic reflashes and then just run them on the dyno without making any adjustments? Why not make the corrections right then and there? I just had to ask - I dont get it

Ok - now onto your questions. When I say more fuel - I mean my tune runs richer - which is safer and more resistant to detonation. The other company's tune which you refer to runs in the high 11 to 12 range - which is way too dangerous and on the edge for me.

We keep the a/f down closer to 11 flat which provides for a much more relaible and safe set up. Sure we could get more power with a leaner a/f but we are already getting great power and we dont want someone having a lot of detonation if they happen across some bad gas.

When we Dyno Flash your car - you're not getting an off the shelf generic map that we send out all over the usa. Its custom.

If it were so easy to just do a standard off the shelf map - don't you think we would be doing the same thing? We are not interested in offering mediocre half baked - half assed tunes that work on some cars and detonate on others.

We do offer a standard map at a very discounted rate of $225 which gets you a paulty 12 - 15 whp - almost half of our custom tunes - but its very safe to put on any evo. We offer it for $225 and still make more money on that flash than our $595.00 dyno tuned two hour tune. Its a good upgrade for the $$ but does not compare to the individually tuned Dyno Flash.

The reason why dyno tuners like myself and a few others who travel about doing these tuning days spend all this money to travel and rent dynos is becuase it is the best possible way to tune a car. There is no substitute for individual tuning tested on the actual vehicle, period.

Its comical that now the through the mail tuner is trying to some how mimic our concept by doing a "dyno day" where the off the shelf flashes are installed and then just run on a dyno without any testing or tuning. I just don't get it. Its like hiring a hot looking call girl to come over to your hotel room and watching a porno movie with her - whats the point of having the girl there if she isn;t going to DO anything - do you catch my drift here? I just hope that they are able to hook up a wideband o2 sensor so you can see what the a/f fuel is doing and they have a knock meter to hear if there any detonation.

I drive every car after its tuned - if it aint right it aint leaving the shop. We give a 100% unconditional money back guarantee - if you dont like it we don;t want your money. We want everyone to like their reflash or we will do it again. We do this beacuse we enjoy tuning evos and we do not settle for anything less than a perfect tune every time.

 

Thanks Al,

...but you didn't address the issue of your tuning of timing. Don't get me wrong; I'm really leaning towards putting down the deposit for the Texas dyno day that's being planned here for you/us. I guess what I was getting at was that you stated that your flash is safer because you run more fuel. Yet you also stated in another post that you run more timing. One could say that simply looking at it that way, one could be at a similar knock thresh hold with both tunes. Now we both know that such a simplistic comparison is off base, but you can kind of see where I'm going with it. I think I would be very happy with the results of your tune. I'm looking for clarification on how my car is going to be feeling about it further down the road.

PS I don't know about the "other guy's dyno days"... not really interested at this point.

 

No two evos get the same exact timing curve.

However - generally - we run a lot of advance from 2800 to 3750 or so to get the car to spool up real hard - our clinets know how good this feels. We also run the cars a bit leaner down low were they are starting to spool up before peak cylinder pressure arives.

At the point where your cylinder pressure is starting to reach peak we like to have stock timing or maybe even a half a degree retarded along with very rich mixture as this is a very common point of detonation which we seek to avoid at all costs

BTW - when the stock ecu sees any detonation it pulls a lot of timing in that area so the next pass you get a very bumpy uneven powerband - not what we want

On top we dance around with the fuel and advance to push things as far as we can and then back off to a safe margin

Hope this answers your question more specifically - sorry for the perviosu rant - just had to vent my humor somehwere

 

I'm interested, just need a date to make sure I can make it.

 

Thanks Al, that's more of what I was looking for... Are any of your customers noticing better fuel economy with your flash with their foot out of it? It sounds like a silly question for someone doing such things with their Evo, but mine serves double duty. Later in Nov is better. Are there any dates that are being considered for the Texas day?