Who killed my 700hp Evo?
wow man... honestly if they kept charging you after the first time you should have just left... and not paid since their incompetence did the failure... but if you can prove all the troubles started from them... call a lawyer... you got a case...
Wow, I am truly sorry to hear this...you should take action immediately. Either hire a lawyer or buy a bat. After they blamed AMS for the engine, I would have been done with them. So where are you shipping the car?
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It's a shame but there are allot of "expert" tuner shops that are nothing more than cut rate shade tree mechanics selling themselves off like they know what they are doing, well actually most of them are like that I think....
I will introduce myself, My name is Justin. I work at Batlground as head technician. I am super familiar with the 4gk3 platform as well as the EVO. So familiar in fact, that I am dropping one into my personal Lexus IS300.
So now for the other side of the story.
M2 failed to mention that his car was towed to us from another local shop in complete pieces. We were given an assembled shortblock (built by ams) a head, and everything else to make the car run. During break in, a rod snapped. Is that my fault? We did not even touch the rods.
After getting a new shortblock, the car was put back together. Reusing all transmission fluids to save money. I personally pulled the fill plug to make sure there was fluid in the vehicle, and it was full. Either it lost it's viscosity, or it ran low before it came to us. Is it my fault that he wanted to save money and reuse transmission fluid?
The last instance with m2 ended when the welds on his head that he brought us broke off. Is it my fault that whoever he got the head from can't get enough penetration to make a strong weld?
I think, that if we can race professionally, as well as build SEMA quality cars, we can build an engine for an evo.
So now for the other side of the story.
M2 failed to mention that his car was towed to us from another local shop in complete pieces. We were given an assembled shortblock (built by ams) a head, and everything else to make the car run. During break in, a rod snapped. Is that my fault? We did not even touch the rods.
After getting a new shortblock, the car was put back together. Reusing all transmission fluids to save money. I personally pulled the fill plug to make sure there was fluid in the vehicle, and it was full. Either it lost it's viscosity, or it ran low before it came to us. Is it my fault that he wanted to save money and reuse transmission fluid?
The last instance with m2 ended when the welds on his head that he brought us broke off. Is it my fault that whoever he got the head from can't get enough penetration to make a strong weld?
I think, that if we can race professionally, as well as build SEMA quality cars, we can build an engine for an evo.
Last edited by migs647; Jun 3, 2011 at 08:13 AM.
First off, who was tuning it? Building and tuning a car are two different things. You can build an engine stronger than an ox, but with the wrong tune it can still be blown up. Just because you have past experience with a few 4G63's does not automatically make you experts.
Shops have been on here for nearly a decade and are still finding new ways of protecting the 4G63 via tuning.
Do things happen during a project like this? Sure. But for the engine to break three separate occasions definitely points to your shop not knowing what they are doing.
Your shop needed to take responsibility for it's actions, for as much money as this kid has thrown at you, there shouldn't be any excuse for it, even if it wasn't YOUR fault. You were the last one to handle the engine and promised a service which you did not uphold.
Shops have been on here for nearly a decade and are still finding new ways of protecting the 4G63 via tuning.
Do things happen during a project like this? Sure. But for the engine to break three separate occasions definitely points to your shop not knowing what they are doing.
Your shop needed to take responsibility for it's actions, for as much money as this kid has thrown at you, there shouldn't be any excuse for it, even if it wasn't YOUR fault. You were the last one to handle the engine and promised a service which you did not uphold.
First off, who was tuning it? Building and tuning a car are two different things. You can build an engine stronger than an ox, but with the wrong tune it can still be blown up. Just because you have past experience with a few 4G63's does not automatically make you experts.
Shops have been on here for nearly a decade and are still finding new ways of protecting the 4G63 via tuning.
Do things happen during a project like this? Sure. But for the engine to break three separate occasions definitely points to your shop not knowing what they are doing.
Your shop needed to take responsibility for it's actions, for as much money as this kid has thrown at you, there shouldn't be any excuse for it, even if it wasn't YOUR fault. You were the last one to handle the engine and promised a service which you did not uphold.
Shops have been on here for nearly a decade and are still finding new ways of protecting the 4G63 via tuning.
Do things happen during a project like this? Sure. But for the engine to break three separate occasions definitely points to your shop not knowing what they are doing.
Your shop needed to take responsibility for it's actions, for as much money as this kid has thrown at you, there shouldn't be any excuse for it, even if it wasn't YOUR fault. You were the last one to handle the engine and promised a service which you did not uphold.
Can you please let me tell everything?
We tuned it, but because the car was never driven long enough to break in the engine or the clutch, the customer was given strict instructions to not go into boost. So you are saying that we can't tune, even when we tuned well over 1,000whp supra on stock pistons? And are you saying that because a part failed, I should remove, rebuild, and reinstall his engine for free? We have given him several discounts, including swapping the transmission for free because we felt bad. And I just added up his claimed $20,000 he spent, and he spent half that with us.
I will introduce myself, My name is Justin. I work at Batlground as head technician. I am super familiar with the 4gk3 platform as well as the EVO. So familiar in fact, that I am dropping one into my personal Lexus IS300.
So now for the other side of the story.
M2 failed to mention that his car was towed to us from another local shop in complete pieces. We were given an assembled shortblock (built by ams) a head, and everything else to make the car run. During break in, a rod snapped. Is that my fault? We did not even touch the rods.
Fair enough, but why did the rod "snap"? Rods do not just "snap"
After getting a new shortblock, the car was put back together. Reusing all transmission fluids to save money. I personally pulled the fill plug to make sure there was fluid in the vehicle, and it was full. Either it lost it's viscosity, or it ran low before it came to us. Is it my fault that he wanted to save money and reuse transmission fluid?
Why in the world would you, as a shop, agree to reused old fluids? I have never allowed a customer to reuse fluids, even if they were just put in a week prior. New fluids or take it some where else. Not worth the risk.
Did you check the fluid level after you reinstalled the fluid? Because even if was spot on before draining, you would not get the correct amount back into the transmission/diffs/what ever after reinstalling it. You would have had to top the level off. I dont know of any person that is a tech that wont double check fluid levels.
The last instance with m2 ended when the welds on his head that he brought us broke off. Is it my fault that whoever he got the head from can't get enough penetration to make a strong weld?
welds on the head? WTF what welds on the head? There should have been no welds on a head to break off.
I think, that if we can race professionally, as well as build SEMA quality cars, we can build an engine for an evo.
your own words "We did not even touch the rods." so no you didnt build an engine for and evo, you just blew it up 2 or 3 times.
So now for the other side of the story.
M2 failed to mention that his car was towed to us from another local shop in complete pieces. We were given an assembled shortblock (built by ams) a head, and everything else to make the car run. During break in, a rod snapped. Is that my fault? We did not even touch the rods.
Fair enough, but why did the rod "snap"? Rods do not just "snap"
After getting a new shortblock, the car was put back together. Reusing all transmission fluids to save money. I personally pulled the fill plug to make sure there was fluid in the vehicle, and it was full. Either it lost it's viscosity, or it ran low before it came to us. Is it my fault that he wanted to save money and reuse transmission fluid?
Why in the world would you, as a shop, agree to reused old fluids? I have never allowed a customer to reuse fluids, even if they were just put in a week prior. New fluids or take it some where else. Not worth the risk.
Did you check the fluid level after you reinstalled the fluid? Because even if was spot on before draining, you would not get the correct amount back into the transmission/diffs/what ever after reinstalling it. You would have had to top the level off. I dont know of any person that is a tech that wont double check fluid levels.
The last instance with m2 ended when the welds on his head that he brought us broke off. Is it my fault that whoever he got the head from can't get enough penetration to make a strong weld?
welds on the head? WTF what welds on the head? There should have been no welds on a head to break off.
I think, that if we can race professionally, as well as build SEMA quality cars, we can build an engine for an evo.
your own words "We did not even touch the rods." so no you didnt build an engine for and evo, you just blew it up 2 or 3 times.
I'll let you tell everything so long as it doesn't pertain to direct advertisement of your shop. Would you rather I deleted your post for breaking the rules and not allow you to speak at all?
YEP! That is exactly what i'm saying. News flash... this isn't a 2JZ... they require completely different tuning methods. I'd really hope you'd understand this being that you build SEMA race cars. Hell even a 4B11 and 4G63 require different tuning methods and they are both 
evo blocks.
Most shops on these boards do that, yes. They take it upon themselves to live up to the mistake and make it right. That is what separates a quality shop from a poor one. Does that mean if he breaks it 10k miles down the road it's your fault / problem? Nope. Also if you can prove that he abused the car, then yah it's his problem. But from the sounds of it he was taking care of the car. Bottom line is, you offered an engine that would do xyz. Not xyz pop.
Even if he did spend half of that, it's still a lot to spend for NOTHING. You then have the audacity to ask for even more money so he can leave with his car?
So you are saying that we can't tune, even when we tuned well over 1,000whp supra on stock pistons?
evo blocks.
And are you saying that because a part failed, I should remove, rebuild, and reinstall his engine for free?
Even if he did spend half of that, it's still a lot to spend for NOTHING. You then have the audacity to ask for even more money so he can leave with his car?
to the OP, I would recomend taking the car to TopSpeed and let them help you out. I have, as well as several of my friends, had great dealings with them. They will shoot you straight.
To this Installer88, posting pictures doesnt clear your name. Actions speak louder than pictures. All of those pictures are from 08 and older, anything from the last 2-3 years?
To this Installer88, posting pictures doesnt clear your name. Actions speak louder than pictures. All of those pictures are from 08 and older, anything from the last 2-3 years?
to the OP, I would recomend taking the car to TopSpeed and let them help you out. I have, as well as several of my friends, had great dealings with them. They will shoot you straight.
To this Installer88, posting pictures doesnt clear your name. Actions speak louder than pictures. All of those pictures are from 08 and older, anything from the last 2-3 years?
To this Installer88, posting pictures doesnt clear your name. Actions speak louder than pictures. All of those pictures are from 08 and older, anything from the last 2-3 years?
The 240sx is still competing, it is actually at an event in FL today. Is that not recent enough?