DD dyno compared to Gruppe-s mustang dyno
there was another guy there who had his car tuned and dyno'd at vishnu.
270 at vishnu, 260 at gruppe-s.
obviously different days so different weather, but not so sure gruppe-s' dyno
reads much higher than vishnu's if at all.
270 at vishnu, 260 at gruppe-s.
obviously different days so different weather, but not so sure gruppe-s' dyno
reads much higher than vishnu's if at all.
[QUOTE=snoop]Comparing dyno's is like comparing apples and oranges since they all differ and even the same dyno may be calibrated differently. The true comparsion would be all the same cars on the same dyno 
Thank you. that's what i was trying to say.
Thank you. that's what i was trying to say.
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Originally Posted by RenoEvo
A friend of mine dynoed at Gruppe-s this past weekend and was telling how he beat about 15 other evo's, all with similar setups except that most of them were using the XEDE instead of the UTEC. He said most of the vishnu or other vendor evo's were dynoing in the mid 250's. Keep in mind most of these were all the equivalent to a stage1+ car. He put down 274whp/265tq. What I want to know is how much lower does the gruppe-s mustang dyno read than the dyno dynamics. His guess was that the DD reads about 30hp more than the mustang one. Does anyone know the real answer? that would mean he would dyno at about 305whp on vishnu's dyno on 91 octane and that seems high for his mods. He has a borla turboback, HKS 264/272, gears, fuel pump, and the UTEC with boost set right around stock. He said his tuning is what gave him the edge over the vishnu cars 
Someone please hellp me get to the bottom of this!
Someone please hellp me get to the bottom of this!
His technical knowledge,aptitude and skill way exceeds that of Shiv and other tuners.
Back to reality.
Noize is right, no freakin way w/ those mods on **** 91 he can claim 305 whp on dd; maybe 274whp if the dynos read similar as it appears.
BTW
Is this the week for the Believe It Or Not series??
First a guy claims 122mph on stock turbo and then this.
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The original question was about the differences in peak WHP figures between Gruppe-s and Vishnu. Tunning for Peak mumbers are one thing, power curves are another and all of you know this. Reno: can you post your friends dyno chart? Noize has his available. Dan do you have both of yours?
also, airflow plays a HUGE roll in dyno consistency... most of the issues i have seen with inconsistencies between dynos of the same manufacture is airflow... which most dyno facilities seem to lack.
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Sounds like a covert attack on Shiv. He asks about dyno #s and goes on to say how his car out dynoed Shiv's tuned cars. I call BS and disable Ryans or Kevins new account moderators. Read through the deception guys this is utter BS. All in the tuning and maybe running 13-1 air fuel ratios. BTW who tuned your friends car and if both Dynos read equal 270+ is what a stage 1+ makes on 91 **** water. 300+ on 100 oct or C-16 for a lil more. These covert attacks on Shiv's dynasty are growing old. Thread starter you and you supposed buddy need to go buy some Hateraide and drink up.OUT!
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From reading some of RenoEVOs posts before...i think he just doesn't know much about his car
or he just hangs out with the wrong people that lie and know even less then him...
Mark
or he just hangs out with the wrong people that lie and know even less then him... Mark
Last edited by MBGSTI; Nov 3, 2004 at 06:36 PM.
IE EVO wtf man I'm serious here. You need to chill the hell out. All I'm saying was that my buddy went to gruppe s and put down 274whp and told me that their dyno read way lower than vishnu's. I knew he was full of sh^t but I just wanted confirmation. And from what it looks like both numbers are the same so 275 makes sense for his mods. And he did say he beat a car with the XEDE and 272 cams but that is all I know, there could be a lot of factors there. IE don't attack my posts when I'm being legit, it makes you look bad.
What did his AFR look like? Peak HP is not everything, how safe is his tune? You can lean the car out and make more HP but for how long? By the way my car was the one that made 262hp with an Xflash, I don't have an Xede. It also made 260ft-lbs of torque, consistently. Comparing the two dynoes is pointless, I just wanted to compare my car to the others on the same day on the same dyno and I am very happy with the result. Shiv is the man!
Craig
Craig
Last edited by craighardy; Nov 3, 2004 at 11:09 PM.
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Originally Posted by craighardy
What did his AFR look like? Peak HP is not everything, how safe is his tune? You can lean the car out and make more HP but for how long? By the way my car was the one that made 262hp with an Xflash, I don't have an Xede. It also made 260ft-lbs of torque, consistently. Comparing the two dynoes is pointless, I just wanted to compare my car to the others on the same day on the same dyno and I am very happy with the result. Shiv is the man!
Craig
Craig
Originally Posted by dan avoN7
So gruppe-s mustang read 2whp lower than vishnu's on the same map.
Last edited by Ted B; Nov 4, 2004 at 06:22 AM.
IE I just think you're a little too sensitive and you need to just calm yourself. HE was saying that he made more power than a vishnu stage 1+ and if he did it was only by 10hp which makes sense if the person actually had an XFLASH and not an XEDE and had a cat. Personally I am a big fan of Vishnu and am ordering a stage 1+ kit in March when I can afford it. I don't appreciate you attacking me saying that this is a covert attack on Shiv and that I'm trying to hate on Vishnu. I didn't say these things, my friend, who thinks he's a tuner, did. Don't say stupid sh^t that is completly off the wall and wrong. 
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You asked for the difference between gruppe-s's mustang and vishnu's DD, and i gave it to you. When comparing a evo running on 93 octane on some out of state mustang i wouldn't doubt it hitting 5-10whp higher, but on the mustang dyno's i've seen they are all pretty much the same. A friend of mine dynoed at s-squared up in sac when they got their mustang and hit the same numbers at gruppe-s +=3whp.
In the end both dynos read very low compared to other dynos.
In the end both dynos read very low compared to other dynos.