Nice Gains.... blah blah blah, safc or more boost whatever, one tuner made more power than the other. End of Story.

 

Yes it does... You add more fuel!

 

 

sure, i'll just run an afc at wastegate boost and then tune a utec at 20 psi and then people would call me a tuning god lol.

 

I think the point of this was to show the tuning limitations of the AFC. The tuner of the AFC obviously knew what he/she was doing. They kept the boost at 20psi max, which is the most anyone should run on pump gas without having control over ignition timing. Running more boost than that on the AFC, as shiv said, can result in run to run inconsistancy and timing being pulled due to knock. So I think you could call the original setup a "safe" AFC tune. The XFlash (which costs little more than an AFC) can safely run more boost since it has remapped ignition timing, and as a result it makes more power. Take this at face value, and at face value that's exactly what it says.

- Steve

 

first of all, the afc boost wasn't even 20 psi . It hit 18 then tapered down to 16ish. I just want the game to be fair tis all. To show the power of full timing control ONLY. Hell, the afc probably could have made the power of the xflash on the same boost level. We'll never know. Anyone can jack up the boost and claim a good gain. That's given. If you really wanna see a good gain, put the boost the same and tune it from there.

 

Your not getting it. You can focus on any individual parameter you want. Look at the AFR of the SAFC car, its leaner than the xflash hence no more power by turning up the boost, theres no more octane left. Its three parameters that work together- not 1. but by that arguement the SAFC car had an unfair advantage cause it ran more ignition timing and was leaner (couldnt support any more boos)


FWIW the SAFC tuner did do a good job making power for the tools he had

 

^Seriously i wanna trade...

 

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

better to keep your mouth shut and let us hypothosize that you might be an idiot, rather than open it and leave no doubt

 

Here is a fun little exercise.

Stick out your right leg and make clockwise circles with your foot.

Now, stick out your right hand and try to draw a number "6" at the same time WITHOUT having your foot change direction.

Now, using an SAFC, add fuel at a given load/RPM point and advance timing.

 

That rocks the house down.

 

daaamm, that was hard

 

You must have never had a class where they taught you to read a graph...





Granted it didn't hit 20, maybe 19.5....

 

lol..maybe you should learn how to read a graph, i remember you saying it hit 20 when it didn't even hit 20. Plenty of people use the afc at 20psi , that's why i thought this was an unfair advantage to the xflash. To the guy that said i'm an idiot, well i'd rather tune my own car on my utec than have some flash. What if you change your mods? OH NOES gotta get another flash and hope for the best lol. I'd rather have my car tuned safely rather than having the flash tuned to the limits of the stock knock sensor. Lets just throw money at all our problems rather than take the time to LEARN how to work with it. Take my advice, learn how to tune your OWN **** and then talk.

 

thats right Mr. Hand! learn how to crap your own tune, then make yourself look like a clown on the internet. I think my new name will be wideanusphillip in commemoration. But in all serious, please re-elect David Palmer.