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Old Jul 18, 2005, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by atlvalet
...Now some one tell me if I'm wrong, but won't cams and cam gears along with a test pipe give me around 30 to 40 more whp?
Yeah, that sounds about right. I'd figure about 30, maybe more if you're lucky

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Old Jul 18, 2005, 12:08 PM
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Well, I'm very happy considering my car with a HFC and without cams or cams gears is close to cars with cams and testpipes on the stock turbo.
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Old Jul 18, 2005, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ludikraut
Yeah, that sounds about right. I'd figure about 30, maybe more if you're lucky

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Yeah... I'd say around that. Usually power gains are aren't additive. That is, the more power you have, the harder it is to get more power.
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Old Jul 18, 2005, 12:55 PM
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This graph makes the White Rabbit look pretty good to me. Superman105s WR with 280 and race fuel made considerably more hp and torque than Alex Alex with his 10.5 Ti and 264/272 cams on race fuel. Also it was WAY hotter for Superman105's car and he had leaner fuel ratios. But it looks like I was right about the straight 10.5 Ti spooling better than the WR.



I think the WR isn't dead yet!
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Old Jul 18, 2005, 12:58 PM
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Hey Smoggie, if you can overlay my 91 with alex alex. His car went on right after mine. Remember, I have a HFC and stock cams, no cam gears. Alex has cams, gears and a test pipe.
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Old Jul 18, 2005, 01:01 PM
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I think the WR needs real fuel (C16 or 110) and a lot more boost than Shiv usually tunes for to really start to shine. You have to remember that these are essentially road tunes...not drag racing tunes. He has yet to do a max effort tune on a WR and probably wouldn't do so without serious prodding.
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Unless I'm wrong it doesn't look like the WR outclasses the stocker until about 6,000 rpm.
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Old Jul 18, 2005, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by nefblkevo
Unless I'm wrong it doesn't look like the WR outclasses the stocker until about 6,000 rpm.
I think the heat is killing Dave's numbers. I'm right under 200 tq at 3,000 rpms and 300 tq at 4,000 rpms which is essentially the same as Alex's. That's why I want smoggie to put up my chart vs. Alex's.
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Old Jul 18, 2005, 01:18 PM
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Wow, I thought the WR would have done a lot better. Stage 2 is really starting to shine.

Way to go Shiv! Nice tunes.
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Old Jul 18, 2005, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by nefblkevo
Unless I'm wrong it doesn't look like the WR outclasses the stocker until about 6,000 rpm.
You're wrong. Wait until Smoggie posts alex alex and mine together. It should prove my point.
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Does not seem like WR is making much more power than my stage 1. I would like to see what car would make on cooler day since temp was pretty hot. I was thinking of going with WR but don't know if it is worth it The spool is a little quicker but not that much sooner.


d evo 1: WR and full exhaust only (on 103 unleaded or 91?)


My Stage 1 (03) with KN drop-in filter custom tunned by Shiv at TT during March 5 (Temp was only 65 degrees )

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Old Jul 18, 2005, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by atlvalet
You're wrong. Wait until Smoggie posts alex alex and mine together. It should prove my point.
That's why I originally asked Smoggy to overlay your graph with alex alex and superman_105. Your power is derived from the WR and alex alex gets his from a complete mod package to include the TME and cat delete. I would guess that cams, gears, and cat delete should boost your numbers by 25-30. Superman_105's lower midrange and higher top end when compared to alex alex might well be due to his 280 cams.
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Originally Posted by gsujeff55
DAMN, IE's graph looks sooo much better.

The weather kill your spool like that, or that 3037 that much better than the 3076?

If you are refering to my spool, the wastgate bolts came loose during the tune. The first few pulls, the spool was identical to IE's. They couldn't get at them because the wastegate was so hot.

The bottom bolt has worked it's way out about 1/2 way and I can't get an allen wrench in there to tighten it. They were torqued properly but I'm told they sometimes need a heat cycle or 2 and then need to be retightened.

Spool dropped 600 RPM and we could see the edges of the wastgate flange turning orange during the pulls.

BTW, I've got a great video of the stock manifold glowing red during one of the pulls if someone can tell me how to load it up.... .
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Yup. I'm looking at my dyno graph right here and spool-up appears to be the same (for all intents and purposes) as Alex's.
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Originally Posted by atlvalet
Hey Smoggie, if you can overlay my 91 with alex alex. His car went on right after mine. Remember, I have a HFC and stock cams, no cam gears. Alex has cams, gears and a test pipe.
FWIW, the cam gears were set at zero, so whether i had them or not is inconsequential.
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