View Poll Results: Should I sell my car & get a SRT4?
Yes: SRT4 is fastar & will last a lot longer
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No: EJ20s will last forever, save & get the VF34
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SRT4 or keep my POS?
Originally Posted by Noize
So now the debate is over tires? 
You made an absolutist claim that a stock SRT-4 handles better than a stock WRX, and I’m calling you out on it, because it isn’t true.
What is hard to understand is why you are acting like a internet bench ricer. You might notice that I currently own neither a WRX nor an SRT-4, but have driven both on track (or coned parking lot in the case of autocross).
And I’m talking about a stock class, not a street prepared class. The SRT-4 has a huge power and weight advantage over any WRX in D Stock, yet the WRXs tend to clobber them. Know why? Because they can maintain faster speeds in the corners; that pretty much defines “better handling”.
And here we go with the rice math! Again, have you ever tracked your car? Do you think every WRX will replace their tires with RE92s and every SRT-4 will replave with KDW2s again? Your numbers have no stake in reality.
You obviously don’t understand what constitutes handling. While you are trying to show that BF Goodrich KDW tires have better grip than Bridgestone Potenza RE92, I’m trying to show you that even with that rubber, weight, and power handicap, a WRX will be consistently faster around more racetracks than an SRT-4.
The fact that you called me a genius and misspelled it is pretty darned comical. Well “genious”, your profile doesn’t list what year your car is. And I’m sure you know that the 03s were open diff cars, thus the peg leg comment. The 04 & 05 cars have the Quaife ATB LSD which helps maintain much better traction than the 03 cars could imagine, but they still have **** poor traction compared to an AWD car.
The core of the point is that you’re in butthurt defense of your car and it is obvious that this WRX guy should just keep and modify what he has instead of downgrading to an SRT-4.
You made an absolutist claim that a stock SRT-4 handles better than a stock WRX, and I’m calling you out on it, because it isn’t true. What is hard to understand is why you are acting like a internet bench ricer. You might notice that I currently own neither a WRX nor an SRT-4, but have driven both on track (or coned parking lot in the case of autocross).
And I’m talking about a stock class, not a street prepared class. The SRT-4 has a huge power and weight advantage over any WRX in D Stock, yet the WRXs tend to clobber them. Know why? Because they can maintain faster speeds in the corners; that pretty much defines “better handling”.
And here we go with the rice math! Again, have you ever tracked your car? Do you think every WRX will replace their tires with RE92s and every SRT-4 will replave with KDW2s again? Your numbers have no stake in reality.
You obviously don’t understand what constitutes handling. While you are trying to show that BF Goodrich KDW tires have better grip than Bridgestone Potenza RE92, I’m trying to show you that even with that rubber, weight, and power handicap, a WRX will be consistently faster around more racetracks than an SRT-4.
The fact that you called me a genius and misspelled it is pretty darned comical. Well “genious”, your profile doesn’t list what year your car is. And I’m sure you know that the 03s were open diff cars, thus the peg leg comment. The 04 & 05 cars have the Quaife ATB LSD which helps maintain much better traction than the 03 cars could imagine, but they still have **** poor traction compared to an AWD car.
The core of the point is that you’re in butthurt defense of your car and it is obvious that this WRX guy should just keep and modify what he has instead of downgrading to an SRT-4.
Originally Posted by Drews_WRX
So, my car has ~77,000 miles on it. I am considering buying a slightly used SRT4 or a brand new one. Or I can save up $1500 and get a VF34 and slap it on my 80,000 mile motor....
I had a 03 WRX for exactly two years, I broke the tranny twice, I paid the repairs out of my own pocket(not fun)
By the way, the VF34 are not $1500, Gruppe-S always had the $1200 package which includes injectors, fuel pump and turbo( VF22-VF30--VF34).
http://www.gruppe-s.com/
Despite some comments, the SRT-4 is a fast car, if you don't belive me go to www. SRT-4FORUMS.com and you will see that these cars are running 11's and trapping 120MPH plus moreover their "road kill" topic is full of victories.
The WRX is not going to get you too far, Yeah, it is a AWD but a SRT-4 with mods reacts better than the WRX with mods. The best example is my own 03 WRX, I pu down 280.3WHP(DynoDynamic Dyno), the car weighted only 3042LBS and my best time was a ****y 13.2@104
I can see a used 03 Evo being a better option, even a used STI. Putting much money into the WRX is not going to work.
Last edited by fromWRXtoEVO; Jul 27, 2005 at 05:01 PM.
Originally Posted by fromWRXtoEVO
I am certain that you haven't had many problems with your tranny because you are not making decent power. As soon as you upgrade the turbo, Injectors, fuel pump tunning and maybe FMIC or TMIC your tranny will give up the reliability.
I vote you throw the vf34 on there. If the engine fails at some point, realize that upgrade replacements are pretty reasonable for what you get! Good luck man.
Originally Posted by Hypnoz
LOL Yeah ok, i'm a troll now because I challenge the fallacious logic that people use. I never once was attempting to **** people off, I'm just trying to clear up this certain thought process that the WRX handles better than the SRT-4 just because it has AWD.
A troll is someone who obviously is just trying to **** people of by saying rediculous things about stuff he/she already knows it untrue. This is not the case. So, how am I a troll? No one can disagree with anyone here, argue a valid point, or prove a generally accepted fact as being wrong without being a troll? Seriously, think before you post.
And majority by far? Do the same on the SRT-4 forums, who arent biased towards AWD and see the outcome. 17 votes is not even significant.
A troll is someone who obviously is just trying to **** people of by saying rediculous things about stuff he/she already knows it untrue. This is not the case. So, how am I a troll? No one can disagree with anyone here, argue a valid point, or prove a generally accepted fact as being wrong without being a troll? Seriously, think before you post.
And majority by far? Do the same on the SRT-4 forums, who arent biased towards AWD and see the outcome. 17 votes is not even significant.
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Originally Posted by AustinEVO
No your a troll because you own an SRT-4 and you hang out in an Evo forum putting up arguments with every single post you can. Why don't you go back to your SRT forum.........
Nope, obviously, if you would of done 'Find other posts from this user' you would notice the reason i am here is that i am buying an EVO. Apparently you are a spewer of bull**** saying that i 'put up arguements with every single post you can' which is completely untrue. The only time i argue is when i know someone is wrong. (argument is spelled ARGUEMENT).
And Noize when I get home from work I'll gladly reply to your post.
Originally Posted by Hypnoz
And Noize when I get home from work I'll gladly reply to your post.
You =
"Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics. Ever unfathomable, Ferrous Cranus cannot be moved."
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Dang, this is some funny stuff? What type of driving do you do? I have know earthly idea of where rancho cucamonga is 
so I don't know if it snows or if it's dry all year round. I do know that regardless of what people have said both cars in question are good platforms depending on your intended driving habbits. I've ridden in a couple of fast wrx's that have yet to experience tranny problems. I've never ridden in an SRT-4 but I know from racing some on the highway and at the track that they are fast. If it were me, I'd keep the wrx since it's already paid for...especially if I was still in school and currently unemployed. Best of luck to you whatever you do. 
so I don't know if it snows or if it's dry all year round. I do know that regardless of what people have said both cars in question are good platforms depending on your intended driving habbits. I've ridden in a couple of fast wrx's that have yet to experience tranny problems. I've never ridden in an SRT-4 but I know from racing some on the highway and at the track that they are fast. If it were me, I'd keep the wrx since it's already paid for...especially if I was still in school and currently unemployed. Best of luck to you whatever you do.
I'm sorry but I agree with Hypnoz. Here are the results from our last scca solo2 event:
http://www.nrscca.com/results/er20050710.php
If you look in DS and in STX and Ladies and compare the raw times with clean runs the SRT4 is faster and this was a very tight course with no straights, constant sweepers, turns and a slalom ... ofcourse the driver also makes a great difference ... and for those of you arguing about AWD always out handling FWD cars, guess what, I've see courses where under-powered FWD Mini Coopers have beaten plenty of powerful AWD cars .... in the stock class, cars are allowed DOT approved race rubber ....
Another reason the SRT4 tranny can hold more power, is because the tires can brake loose while launching unlike the WRX ...
http://www.nrscca.com/results/er20050710.php
If you look in DS and in STX and Ladies and compare the raw times with clean runs the SRT4 is faster and this was a very tight course with no straights, constant sweepers, turns and a slalom ... ofcourse the driver also makes a great difference ... and for those of you arguing about AWD always out handling FWD cars, guess what, I've see courses where under-powered FWD Mini Coopers have beaten plenty of powerful AWD cars .... in the stock class, cars are allowed DOT approved race rubber ....
Another reason the SRT4 tranny can hold more power, is because the tires can brake loose while launching unlike the WRX ...
Originally Posted by DaWorstPlaya
I'm sorry but I agree with Hypnoz. Here are the results from our last scca solo2 event:
http://www.nrscca.com/results/er20050710.phpIf you look in DS and in STX and Ladies and compare the raw times with clean runs the SRT4 is faster and this was a very tight course with no straights, constant sweepers, turns and a slalom ... ofcourse the driver also makes a great difference ... and for those of you arguing about AWD always out handling FWD cars, guess what, I've see courses where under-powered FWD Mini Coopers have beaten plenty of powerful AWD cars .... in the stock class, cars are allowed DOT approved race rubber ....
http://www.nrscca.com/results/er20050710.phpIf you look in DS and in STX and Ladies and compare the raw times with clean runs the SRT4 is faster and this was a very tight course with no straights, constant sweepers, turns and a slalom ... ofcourse the driver also makes a great difference ... and for those of you arguing about AWD always out handling FWD cars, guess what, I've see courses where under-powered FWD Mini Coopers have beaten plenty of powerful AWD cars .... in the stock class, cars are allowed DOT approved race rubber ....
Well, since there were exactly zero WRXes in DS in that link you provided, I don't think the correlation is even close to direct. And the actual times of the WRXs on that day were faster. Of course, that's unfair, because they weren't any DS WRX cars in your chapter running that day.
To have a better comparo, we'll need to look at national results in DS. Unfortunately, it won't show us much, because all the fastest DS cars and drivers are still in Integras.
Nobody is saying that FWD cars can't handle. What I am saying is that an SRT-4 (especially a non-ACR) is not a handling monster like an ITR. Low end torque is the enemy of FWD, particularly in the bottom two gears. I think a stock ITR will mop the floor with a stock SRT-4 or WRX on most any track with the same driver. Its just a car whose powerband, weight, and suspension is better sorted for racing. Not surprisingly, the ITR would be my car of choice out of those three.
Another reason the SRT4 tranny can hold more power, is because the tires can brake loose while launching unlike the WRX ...
While it might look like I'm hating on the SRT-4, I'm not. I actually quite like them, but it certainly wouldn't be my weapon of choice on a racetrack. If you want to make a WRX look bad compared to an SRT-4, mod both cars with ECU tuning and exhaust work, but make both keep the stock turbo. In this scenario, the SRT-4 will be significantly faster in acceleration, but its traction problems are exacerbated.
I guess I just prefer cars that don't plow as much as SRT-4s in turns.
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I agree with BlownIncome on this one. Being that you're a student and unemployed, keep the WRX for now. Then do whatever it is you want to do.
Now, not trying to get in the middle of the "other" debate but...it is spelled ARGUMENT, check a Websters...
Now, not trying to get in the middle of the "other" debate but...it is spelled ARGUMENT, check a Websters...
Originally Posted by Hypnoz
Nope, obviously, if you would of done 'Find other posts from this user' you would notice the reason i am here is that i am buying an EVO. Apparently you are a spewer of bull**** saying that i 'put up arguements with every single post you can' which is completely untrue. The only time i argue is when i know someone is wrong. (argument is spelled ARGUEMENT).
And Noize when I get home from work I'll gladly reply to your post.
And Noize when I get home from work I'll gladly reply to your post.
Originally Posted by Noize
Well, since there were exactly zero WRXes in DS in that link you provided, I don't think the correlation is even close to direct. And the actual times of the WRXs on that day were faster. Of course, that's unfair, because they weren't any DS WRX cars in your chapter running that day.
Originally Posted by Noize
Nobody is saying that FWD cars can't handle. What I am saying is that an SRT-4 (especially a non-ACR) is not a handling monster like an ITR. Low end torque is the enemy of FWD, particularly in the bottom two gears. I think a stock ITR will mop the floor with a stock SRT-4 or WRX on most any track with the same driver.
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Originally Posted by Noize
So now the debate is over tires? You made an absolutist claim that a stock SRT-4 handles better than a stock WRX, and I’m calling you out on it, because it isn’t true.
You made an absolutist claim that a stock SRT-4 handles better than a stock WRX, and I’m calling you out on it, because it isn’t true.
Originally Posted by Noize
What is hard to understand is why you are acting like a internet bench ricer. You might notice that I currently own neither a WRX nor an SRT-4, but have driven both on track (or coned parking lot in the case of autocross).
Originally Posted by Noize
And I’m talking about a stock class, not a street prepared class. The SRT-4 has a huge power and weight advantage over any WRX in D Stock, yet the WRXs tend to clobber them. Know why? Because they can maintain faster speeds in the corners; that pretty much defines “better handling”.
Originally Posted by Noize
And here we go with the rice math! Again, have you ever tracked your car? Do you think every WRX will replace their tires with RE92s and every SRT-4 will replace with KDW2s again? Your numbers have no stake in reality.
And to answer your question, no i don't expect them to. And perhaps the WRX does achieve better handling than the SRT-4 with the same rubber. I honestly don't know. I'm not arguing that. I'm saying stock to stock.
Originally Posted by Noize
Better low end torque that it can't utilize fully in the bottom two gears because it has too much torque for its FWD drivetrain. And you obviously don’t understand what constitutes handling. While you are trying to show that BF Goodrich KDW tires have better grip than Bridgestone Potenza RE92, I’m trying to show you that even with rubber, weight, and power handicaps, a WRX will be consistently faster around more racetracks than an SRT-4.
Originally Posted by Noize
The fact that you called me a genius and misspelled it is pretty darned comical. Well “genious”, your profile doesn’t list what year your car is. And I’m sure you know that the 03s were open diff cars, thus the peg leg comment. The 04 & 05 cars have the Quaife ATB LSD which helps maintain much better traction than the 03 cars could imagine, but they still have **** poor traction compared to an AWD car.
Originally Posted by Noize
The core of the point is that you’re in butthurt defense of your car and it is obvious that this WRX guy should just keep and modify what he has instead of downgrading to an SRT-4.
Originally Posted by Noize
I have neither an SRT-4 nor a WRX. I'm just making statements that are based on reality. You, on the other hand, are a flaming fanboy who can't see the truth past the colors and flag of his own brand. Have fun bench racing!
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Originally Posted by Drews_WRX
yup, im keeping the WRX....and I also feel the SRT-4 is a downgrade.
Please stop talking Hypnoz
Please stop talking Hypnoz
I can say what i want and debate anything i feel like debating. Why don't you get some damn respect and let people have a debate.