AEM vs Autronic vs XEDE
autronic, with a GOOD tuner.. call ben at efi 101.. he can give the best answers, instead of asking people who arent experts at tuning.. i have autronic, and im telling you 2 call ben...
Originally Posted by smokedmustang
I would say the most fool-proof would be the Xede, as I think you have to tune the AEM when the weather changes, which I believe requires it to go to a tuner. I think the ones to answer this would be either:
A: Smogrunner
B: A tuner who has expierence with all the above.
What the people above have as far as tuning goes, they will say its the BEST, so this would be a tough one to answer. unless a person has used all on the same car, with the same setup. I'm not making much sence, its time for me to go to bed!
A: Smogrunner
B: A tuner who has expierence with all the above.
What the people above have as far as tuning goes, they will say its the BEST, so this would be a tough one to answer. unless a person has used all on the same car, with the same setup. I'm not making much sence, its time for me to go to bed!
Originally Posted by Widebandphillip
You won't have to tune the aem when the weather changes through iat and baro sensors. All of those things have tables for compensation. With maf systems like the xede, utec, flash, and safc, i do see a bit of afr difference depending on weather.
Ok, which system has had more catastrophic failures with improper tuning? Or, who blew up their stuff, and when it went kablewey, what type of tuning (standalone/piggyback) was involved, weather or not it can be attributed to the electronics? Anyone want to fess up?
Q. Did you mess-up/blow-up/nearly blow-up your car?
Q. What type of ancilliary computer (piggy back or stand alone) was in the car at time of said explosion?
Q. Did you mess-up/blow-up/nearly blow-up your car?
Q. What type of ancilliary computer (piggy back or stand alone) was in the car at time of said explosion?
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I thought my list looked incomplete. I have a TME turbo on the car. If you had sold yours earlier I would have bought yours!
Originally Posted by Smogrunner
With your mods, you would be crazy to go with a full stand-alone EMS. Stock turboed cars just don't need it. If you decide against the Xede for some reason, I'd recommend you get a SAFC before a full stand-alone system.
Also, Autronic is great but does not even come with a knock sensor. For that reason alone, DO NOT GET IT.
One thing you always see people say is that once you get a big turbo, you really need an AEM EMS or some other full stand alone computer. Shiv, IE Evo and a few others have already proven that the Xede can easily handle all sizes of the Garrett 30R turbo. Shiv also successfully ran a 35R in his car but only one other has tried that I know. He self destructed before sorting out his minor issues.
I'm hoping to test the limits of the Xede. My biggest concern was with idle but that turned out to be as smooth as silk. My next concern is HP loss using a 3" intake and the stock maf. I feel that at some point, I will overrun the MAF. But if that point doesn't happen until 575whp on a dynojet I'll consider that a huge success, as I'm not looking to squeeze every last pony out of it. I just want a super powerfull car with tons of torque.
We'll see soon enough...
Also, Autronic is great but does not even come with a knock sensor. For that reason alone, DO NOT GET IT.
One thing you always see people say is that once you get a big turbo, you really need an AEM EMS or some other full stand alone computer. Shiv, IE Evo and a few others have already proven that the Xede can easily handle all sizes of the Garrett 30R turbo. Shiv also successfully ran a 35R in his car but only one other has tried that I know. He self destructed before sorting out his minor issues.
I'm hoping to test the limits of the Xede. My biggest concern was with idle but that turned out to be as smooth as silk. My next concern is HP loss using a 3" intake and the stock maf. I feel that at some point, I will overrun the MAF. But if that point doesn't happen until 575whp on a dynojet I'll consider that a huge success, as I'm not looking to squeeze every last pony out of it. I just want a super powerfull car with tons of torque.
We'll see soon enough...
Originally Posted by smokedmustang
Hello Wideband, thanks for the clarification. me no jenius, just read that somewhere on here. By weather changes, I mean on the east coast/midwest, change the tune with the 4 seasons, humidity/windchill etc... which wouldnt apply with the sunny states!
Originally Posted by smokedmustang
Ok, which system has had more catastrophic failures with improper tuning? Or, who blew up their stuff, and when it went kablewey, what type of tuning (standalone/piggyback) was involved, weather or not it can be attributed to the electronics? Anyone want to fess up?
Q. Did you mess-up/blow-up/nearly blow-up your car?
Q. What type of ancilliary computer (piggy back or stand alone) was in the car at time of said explosion?
Q. Did you mess-up/blow-up/nearly blow-up your car?
Q. What type of ancilliary computer (piggy back or stand alone) was in the car at time of said explosion?
Originally Posted by Precision Dyno
If tuned by the right place you will have the same drivability and features as the stock unit. EVEN better when turned to speed density. I can give you a list of 23 customers very happy with their units.
Originally Posted by Widebandphillip
Everyone has blown up on every type of piggyback and ems. It just takes one wrong key stroke and kablewey indeed.
By the way, its funnier when you "say" kablewey!
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I didn't expect unbiased opinions. I have an AEM in my VR4...it's good but hard to tune. I have a new AEM in my living room and a used Autonic plug - n -play board under my desk. The Autronic would be in but the intake manifold is too thin to tap and i don't have a 1/8 NPT aluminum bung to weld on. Then I read about the XEDE with SMART. Easier in some ways, maybe less hassle, probably less likely to get mechanical damage while I figure it out. Gotta make up my mind and sell ther rest. so give me your biased opinions!
Originally Posted by smokedmustang
Excellent Precision Dyno, I think this is the type info the starter of this thread is looking for. He would be hard pressed to find un-biased individual advice with the Question he asked.I cant say if the others are better, as I only have the unit I have been using from the start, XEDE!
I have been running Xede with gt35r and 880 inj stock bottom end for the last 2500 mls.
Shiv flashed the ecm for inj. Andrew at dyno4ance did the tune.Car idles good turbo
spools great ,turbo lag is way over rated.I can run 2 maps 93 oct 93oct with methonal.
I can switch between the 2 maps on the fly.Car gets 24 mls. to the gallon if I can drive
normal,witch I find almost imposible.Ican barely keep from smiling every time I drive the
car. I will be going to dyno4ance for smart tune and custome tune on meth to see if Shiv
can get a little more power out of it. Best part is you still have factory safe guards and
safe tune.
Shiv flashed the ecm for inj. Andrew at dyno4ance did the tune.Car idles good turbo
spools great ,turbo lag is way over rated.I can run 2 maps 93 oct 93oct with methonal.
I can switch between the 2 maps on the fly.Car gets 24 mls. to the gallon if I can drive
normal,witch I find almost imposible.Ican barely keep from smiling every time I drive the
car. I will be going to dyno4ance for smart tune and custome tune on meth to see if Shiv
can get a little more power out of it. Best part is you still have factory safe guards and
safe tune.
great answer FLAEVO, I smile every time I get in my car also, because I will be getting ever so farther away from my nagging wife. JK, I love my wife very much.......because she tells me I do!
I say XEDE! I think this thread is going to be like an everlastinggobstopper!
I say XEDE! I think this thread is going to be like an everlastinggobstopper!