Stage 1 12.44@110
hey forgot to mention this everytime i drag race i have a freind whom sprays CO2 to my front intercooler and hell yeah there is a big difference especially when you make several runs through the quater mile!
Originally Posted by AWD PWRR
I don't understand these figures. A stage 1 would get 110mph traps on pump gas with no cams (according to Shiv's figures on his website). Also, I would think that this is around 270whp or so on Shiv's dyno. With cams almost every evo should be in the low 12s with 113+mph traps. I would certainly think that 310whp on Shiv's dyno should be low 12s @ 113-116mph.
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-M
2. My 110.97 was on about 275-280WHP on Shiv's dyno. Remember, different weight car, different tracks, different tuner. It is all just ballpark here.
3. With cams, tons of us ARE in the high 11, low 12 range at 118 to 112mph.
4. 310 on Shiv's dyno IS exactly good for 113.6 at 12.2, as I did that myself.
Originally Posted by jrsimon27
smog do you think its possible to get into the high 11sec without [aftermarket] cams??
i have made numerous(5+) passes with 60' times from 1.68-1.70 on the stock clutch at stage 1. those were all 12.40-12.50 @ 108-109 passes. i actually liked the stock clutch launches better than this garbage ACT. full weight car, even had the spare tire. ive never made a pass with any weight savings other than the spare tire removal which i finally did when i could NOT make this car run 11s and the tires were worn out.
just posting for reference.
just posting for reference.
Originally Posted by Smogrunner
1. Where does it specify 110 on pump gas. I don't think it does. However, I do think 110 is possible on 93 or 94 octane with enough weight trimmings. For example, I did 110.97mph on 98 octane on a Stage one WITH a cat and without significant weight removal.
2. My 110.97 was on about 275-280WHP on Shiv's dyno. Remember, different weight car, different tracks, different tuner. It is all just ballpark here.
3. With cams, tons of us ARE in the high 11, low 12 range at 118 to 112mph.
4. 310 on Shiv's dyno IS exactly good for 113.6 at 12.2, as I did that myself.
4. 310 on Shiv's dyno IS exactly good for 113.6 at 12.2, as I did that myself.
110 seems low to me for a cammed evo. (with all supporting mods).
-M
Originally Posted by BOOSTEZ
Why would a webpage advertise a staged bolt-on and list a time with hp number if there are other things you have to do in order to achieve that time? I assume (as any other customer) that when you are looking at a Staged upgrade, you are talking about a bone stock car and just adding those mods using regular pump gas and regular weight with a full tank of gas.
Originally Posted by BOOSTEZ
Ah, but that was with race gas. On pump, you'd be around 255-265whp (assuming Shiv's dyno), which I still think one could hit 110 traps.
Originally Posted by BOOSTEZ
Is that a typo? 118 mph traps with just cams?
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-M
Originally Posted by gsujeff55
i have made numerous(5+) passes with 60' times from 1.68-1.70 on the stock clutch at stage 1. those were all 12.40-12.50 @ 108-109 passes. i actually liked the stock clutch launches better than this garbage ACT. full weight car, even had the spare tire. ive never made a pass with any weight savings other than the spare tire removal which i finally did when i could NOT make this car run 11s and the tires were worn out.
just posting for reference.
just posting for reference.
what i do is i put 38psi of air in each wheel to get wheelspin the i rev my car all the way up to 7000++rpms and i just quick lift the clutch pedal not side step it and this is how ive obtain my results!
BTW i trapped 110mph on 91oct!
ok thanks for answering
i know that the higher you launch on this cars the better times you will achieve and a better trap speed also!
look at how japaneese do it buy a bestmotoring video they rev the car all the way up and just dump the clutch ive seen them pass the quarter mile on a stock evo 8 rs make a 12.7!
just my opinion!
i know that the higher you launch on this cars the better times you will achieve and a better trap speed also!
look at how japaneese do it buy a bestmotoring video they rev the car all the way up and just dump the clutch ive seen them pass the quarter mile on a stock evo 8 rs make a 12.7!
just my opinion!
Smogrunner i rember you posting in the past that you launched your car at 7000rpms and i think you said with 35psi in each wheel and with this you achieved 1.67 to 60ft!
correct me if iam wrong on this!
also did you ever broke something and how long did your stock clutch hold??
correct me if iam wrong on this!
also did you ever broke something and how long did your stock clutch hold??
Originally Posted by jrsimon27
Smogrunner i rember you posting in the past that you launched your car at 7000rpms and i think you said with 35psi in each wheel and with this you achieved 1.67 to 60ft!
correct me if iam wrong on this!
also did you ever broke something and how long did your stock clutch hold??
correct me if iam wrong on this!
also did you ever broke something and how long did your stock clutch hold??
Never at as high as 7000. More like 6000 to 6200. But yes, I did basically drop it. I wrote a detailed description of how I launch here:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...7&page=4&pp=15
For the lazy's here is what I said:
Originally Posted by Smogrunner
Slipping the stock clutch is a recipe for disaster unless you are a pro (which I am not!). Reving too high (at or above 6500rpm) and dropping is the second worse thing to do.
Simple: You need to get the tires spinning off the line. If the tires spin, there is a manageable amount of stress on the driveline.
This method will get you 1.8 60ft times (not bad but not great either) all day on a lightly modded Evo 272 to 350bhp:
1. Put 35lbs of air in stock or similar tires.
2. Rev the engine to 6000rpms.
3. Drop the clutch fairly fast, but not as fast as you can.
4. The tires will spin about half way through first. Be ready for them to catch. When they do catch, look at the tach and shift at around 7200rpms.
As you get better, and more comfortable with this approach, let a little more air out the tires. I wouldn't go too low though, maybe 30lbs. I personally like a lot of air in my tires, even now. The 1.65 60ft time I did a couple of weeks ago was on less grippy than stock Advans (Michelin Pilot Sports) at 34lbs. Remember, more air in the tires should help MPH as your roll with less resistance. Also, as you get better you can drop the clutch at lower and lower rpms until you get to the point where the tires will spin, but just enough to NOT bog. I use the term drop instead of slip because that is what I believe works. BEWARE: When you start getting to the mid to low 5000 rpms, you risk bogging, which will break and burn stuff. Play it safe.
As you mod your car more, the technique you use depends on your mods. With my current setup, I slip my Cusco twin disk fairly fast when climbing my rpms up somewhat quickly. I engage at around 5000rpms, I think...
Of course, I am only sharing what worked for me on my particular Evo. I pulled my stock clutch at over 20,000 miles. It was still in good shape.
Simple: You need to get the tires spinning off the line. If the tires spin, there is a manageable amount of stress on the driveline.
This method will get you 1.8 60ft times (not bad but not great either) all day on a lightly modded Evo 272 to 350bhp:
1. Put 35lbs of air in stock or similar tires.
2. Rev the engine to 6000rpms.
3. Drop the clutch fairly fast, but not as fast as you can.
4. The tires will spin about half way through first. Be ready for them to catch. When they do catch, look at the tach and shift at around 7200rpms.
As you get better, and more comfortable with this approach, let a little more air out the tires. I wouldn't go too low though, maybe 30lbs. I personally like a lot of air in my tires, even now. The 1.65 60ft time I did a couple of weeks ago was on less grippy than stock Advans (Michelin Pilot Sports) at 34lbs. Remember, more air in the tires should help MPH as your roll with less resistance. Also, as you get better you can drop the clutch at lower and lower rpms until you get to the point where the tires will spin, but just enough to NOT bog. I use the term drop instead of slip because that is what I believe works. BEWARE: When you start getting to the mid to low 5000 rpms, you risk bogging, which will break and burn stuff. Play it safe.
As you mod your car more, the technique you use depends on your mods. With my current setup, I slip my Cusco twin disk fairly fast when climbing my rpms up somewhat quickly. I engage at around 5000rpms, I think...
Of course, I am only sharing what worked for me on my particular Evo. I pulled my stock clutch at over 20,000 miles. It was still in good shape.
Last edited by Smogrunner; Mar 19, 2006 at 06:00 PM.