But Vishnu is stealth and AMS is not.

 

What was on the car that made 414?

 

i was rather impressed with how stock the vishnu kit looked. I looked at Seth's engine bay at Dyno4Mance and said wow its stock except for the wastegate...then he laid down the big pimpin numbers on the dyno

 

I don't know about this, its kinda hard to argue against the TurboTrix 50trim kit which makes about 450whp on pump gas then over 500whp on race gas. If you want to pump gas monster I don't think anything is better than the 50trim, their are too many dyno sheets to prove that.

 

I am not sure what everyone is so up in arms about. Both are nice kits, you are always going to have people who are for AMS, Bushur, TT, and vishnu! Would you need to decide is who is going to best take care of you.

I put down 497 whp on AMS 50 trim turbo with methanol and the VSR intake on 93 pump gas and a flash! That was on a dyno jet dyno.

The evo is not a stealth car I hate to tell you guys that, The art of suprising the car next to you is slowly going by the wayside. My car is an everyday driver, and from what I have read on a few of the 3071's I am quite a bit ahead of you guys. maybe it's sticking with a company throughout a build process and not buying pieces from 10 different companies.

Buy the kit that you think you will be most happy with, the 50 trim is throwing out huge #'s but I have not had a huge experience with 3071's.

Let us know and good luck

also, you should note to contact a few companies and explain your long term goals and see what they say, you might be surprised.

 

Yep, and that is one of the MAJOR deciding factors, IMHO. If you want a stealth kit, then there probably isn't a better one than the Vishnu kit. If you want to go all out, then AMS is probably the better choice.
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It was mine. Power mods were: AMS 50 trim, AMS UIP, AMS FMIC, 3"tbe, AMS VSR Intake manifold, HKS 272s, blitz boost controller, and utec

Done on straight 93oct, 22psi

 

So, in comparison, Seths car would make about 340*1.15~ 390whp on the AMS dyno. That is with a stock manifold, and stock IC.

Now, to compare apples to apples, Shiv's car WITH an intake manifold made 363 on our dyno, on 91 oct, with the 3071. Using the same math that is 417 on the AMS dyno, and that is on 91, who knows what the car would have made on 93.

 

When people talk about stealth they are talking about the underhood apperance to other people (police), not to suprise other cars in the lane next to you. When I saw Asitha/Vishnu_Evo8's car I was suprised at how quiet and stock looking his car was. He has 280's and a 3037R and if I didn't know any better I would be suprised to know he had anything more than a tbe.

 

I did not think about the police, we don't have to worry about that in IL. I understand that point of view.

 

Not to mention more tq, 330 wtq on a dynojet at 414hp is weaksauce for that kind of hp.

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I wouldn't worry about the police either if my car was that powerful.

 

330wtq (and the shape of the curve to go with it ... e.g. hits ~330 and stays relatively flat until falling off slightly towards the top end) is to be expected from a 3071/50trim turbo on pump gas. You can raise that torque number if you let the initial boost spike instead of keeping it flat. That's something the stock boost control is good at doing. If you're running an MBC, you may have to live without that initial boost spike to avoid overboosting later in the power band.

I'm going to assume that this is the car Dustin was talking about:





In the end, both kits/turbos make very comparable numbers on pump gas. The only advice I can give is to not mate a 3071 to an AMS kit.

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Seth's car seems like it has less parts and puts down more power. Also, it is very stealthy as everyone is saying, which is important to me. I plan on keeping as many things as stock as possible. So no headwork,shortblock build, intake mani etc. I will have the new Nisei comp. intercooler and possibly an upgraded valvetrain depending on the future cam options for the IX. I'm really curious to see how a IX would respond to seth's EXACT same set up and some of the AMS 50trim set ups compared to the VIII's. Theres hardly any data on IX's with big turbos besides a couple examples on this forum, and both have GT35r's. I wonder if the tq. would be a lot more substantial on a IX with a gt3071 or a 50trim compared to an VIII. Also, a lot of IX's are already running high boost (24-25psi) on 91-93 octane so does this mean they would put down near race gas numbers on pump running either setup? Ahh, so many questions and no results/evidence to examine. I really dont want to be the guinea pig!

EDIT: Do you guys have the GT3071 kit in stock? What's included and how much is it? Is the v550 on the website the same thing?

 

MIVEC + stock exhaust manifold should make for some nice spoolup.

My VIII playa hates all IX's

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