Shiv actually custom tuned my water/alcohol 91 octane map for me last year. Unfortunately you would need to find someone who has experience with the Xede or you would have to learn on your own. The 91 octane V390 map is a good starting point with your water/alcohol system.

 

I read in a thread that a guy from Honduras used the V390 EVO VIII 2005 on his 2004 model and the car was much more agressive.

Have you tried using the V390 EVOVIII 2005 map on a 2004 model? I pm the guy asking if his car still ok (this thread was 3 months old).

Man, no one knows how to tune the XEDE here in Brazil. We have to go with whatever is available on the net. I saw the V390 EVO VIII map tuned for AMS Alky injection (91 octane) for Cajun Power. This map is already available that is whey I wanted to get the AMS alky injection, because the map is already there.

The problem in my opinion is that the alky injection from AMS is the almost the same price of a TME turbo. So alky injection or tme turbo? Hummmmm .... I would say TME Turbo

 

ceneio i sended you a pm

 

I did not receive it! Send it again please.

 

i first was using the 2005maps for 91oct on my jdm 2005 evo8,then i added an aem uego wideband and in 3erd gear pulls my afrs where 12.0-12.5 so then i made a search in my car and found out that mitsu japan installed a 9.8hotside but with tial internals so i decided to try the 03-04maps for 91oct and afr numbers in 3erd gear pulls where 11.0-11.7!
i called vishnu and i talked to dustin and shiv and they told me that the maps where fine for our cars maybe not optimal but fine!

 

also i made datalogging with a pocket logger and i sended the logs to dustin and he told me that the logs looked fine i even sended him a log from a 100oct pull!

 

I actually have a V360/Stage 1 set up, so I am still running the stock cams with cam gears. I used the V360 93 octane map from the website when I was first playing around with my Aquamist water injection on 91 octane. You have to take into account that map you have for a AMS alcohol 91 octane will still need some adjusting to get it to work properly on your Evo. Any sort of water or alcohol map will have to be custom made for your car to avoid any possible problems. I still can't believe that there will ever be a "safe" universal map that can be made when any form of water/alcohol system is used. The only true answer I could give you is to educate yourself and learn how to adjust the parameters on your Xede and then take it to a AWD dyno if you can find one to tune it some more. The other way is using road tuning with a wideband. Please use a failsafe precaution with your injection system to help protect your engine if your injection system fails.

 

I see. You are lucky you got to speak with Shiv on the phone. I sent 10 emails and called several times but no one picked up the phone.

My car is a 2004 JDM Evo VIII. So I guess mine has also the tial internals.

So with my mods I should use the 2003-2004 V390 map for 93 octane? This is what I thought. I also wanted to add the alky injection, but it is the same price as the TME turbo. The cooling mist alky will not help me because of the custom tune.

 

There is no AWD dyno in Brazil. True, I agree with you, there is no universal alcohol map. Well I think I will finish installing everything by wednesday, lets see how it goes.

 

use the 03-04maps for 93oct just monitor your afrs also the TME turbo is the one you have but with a 9.8hotside so you only need to by the 10.5hotside on the stickys there is on on how you can make an alky map maybe that helps out check it out!
anymore questions i will gladly help you out!
ps:we neither in Honduras have an awd dyno only 2wheel drive

 

Hang in there. The Xede is a great, especially if you incorporate S.M.A.R.T. with it. It may take some time, but you'll get your Evo running strong. Just keep asking questions and for advice.

 

Why can't it work with Cooling Mist? Can you give specific details and links please?

 

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Originally Posted by cneio

I read in a thread that a guy from Honduras used the V390 EVO VIII 2005 on his 2004 model and the car was much more agressive.

Cneio: If you have a 2004 Latin American Market RS model Evo VIII, which is what I have and what JRSimon has as well, then you already have the equivalent of a TME turbo. Our turbos are the same as those found on the JDM RS models, as they have the same Titanium/Aluminum internals found on the TME 6.5 turbo, as well as the same compressor housing.

The only difference, correct me if I´m wrong, is that the actual TME 6.5 turbo comes with the 10.5 turbine housing, whereas the turbo on the JDM EvoVIII RS models comes configured with the 9.8 turbine housing. So, if you have an RS model then you already have a TME turbo as a practical matter. And you´d only have to switch to the 10.5 exhaust housing.

To make sure, you can check in the specs at the backof your owner´s manual and it might specify the turbo. Otherwise, you can have your Mitsubishi dealer inquire to Japan. Or you can physically check the serial number on your turbocharger and then there is a thread on EvoM that lists all the Mitsubishi turbochargers and the corresponding model applications.

At any rate don´t go out and buy a new TME until you have verified what turbocharger came on your car from the factory.

Also, IMHO you should install your XEDE and tune it for pump gas and decide on a pump gas map before hooking up the Alky kit. That is, don´t go and do everything all at once and expect it to function perfectly. Get your car sorted out on pump gas and properly tuned with all your mods and settle on the correct XEDE map for your set of modifications before adding the Alky system.

Once you´ve tuned your car and verify via data logging that you have a safe tune and that your air fuel ratios, O2 readings, ignition timing, and knock readings are all within safe limits, then, and only then, you can consider adding drugs(Meth) into the equation. Take your time and learn as you go along.

For starters, the off the site 91 octane pump gas maps for the 2003-2004 models are your safest bet if you have an ´04 model. The 2005 maps are a bit more agressive, that is they have more agressive timing tables than the ´04 maps.

The way I understand it is that the original factory base maps in the ECU´s was changed in 2005 due to the use of the 10.5 hotside which allows more timing advance. So, the off the site Visnu Xede maps for 2005 models are updated to work with the altered ´05 factory ECU´s.

I have tried both the 2005 and the 2003-2004 XEDE maps in my 2004 RS and the car definitely likes the 2004 v390 91 octane map the best. We datalogged several runs and my car´s ECU pulls less timing with the ´04 map installed. I prefer a low timing-high boost map anyway. If you want more power, just turn up the boost.

 

^^^ Very good point.

 

I am not sure which version I have. The car came with nothing on it.

Cheap seats, the trunk had nothing, you could see the foam of the back seat, and
no abs. I have already started a thread asking people which car model it was. The dealer in Brazil has no clue which car it is. They were importing JDM cars till last year, this year they are importing american cars and they think it is JDM. It did come with the Tarmac, Gravel, and Snow option, though.

I know mine is JDM because of the chassis number. It has a very fast spool turbo though, so I guess it is already the TME, but with the 9.8 hotside. Do you know where I can buy the 10.5 hotside that will accept credit cards from Brazil? If yes, please send me the link. As to the gas, Petrobras offers the 95 octane gas, and all the Ferraris and Porsches in Brazil use this gas (it costs almost 2 dollars per liter) so that is the one I am using. I think you are right, because you never know if the gas station does not alter the gas until you blow your engine or your fuel pump, (this happened to my Fiat Turbo) it will be safe to start off with the V390 91 octane map.

I will check the turbo's serial number and see which turbo it is. Can you send me the thread that mentions all the serial numbers (if you know it, off course, otherwise I will search, no problem).

The reason I wanted the alky kit is because of the heat. It is very warm down here all the time, so the alky would keep the car steady in power. Have you tried an aftermarket IC? I am thinking about that as well. The guy that is helping me out said that I should do something called cryonics (I think that is how you write it) where you throw nitro directly into the intercooler (from the outside) so it freezes the intercoler and the air comes in super cold. I have never heard of that, but he says people are doing it specially in California and Florida. I would guess an AMS IC or Buschur IC would work very well down here. How bout you? Where are you at? I want to smoke my friends 911 turbo, that is why I want to fix everything at once. He keeps beating me on the track (he better beat me, his car costs half million dollars in Brazil).