PROcede for the Evo?
Lets not put the carriage before the horse. For those of you that are already running XEDEs, it probably wont be advantageous to do the switch over. We are still going to support the product and realistically for the Evo 8, not much more can be done. A few more bells and whistles may emerge, but by in large the evo 8 has been developed to almost its full extent.
The evo 9 on the other hand is a different story, because of the MIVEC. Thusfar, MIVEC has not been intercepted and the PROcede will allow us to do so. The PROcede has one more analog in and out, three times as many digital inputs, and twice as many digital outs. It offers the ability to do speed limiter defeats and other nifty stuff (although the simplistic nature of the Evo ecu means that we wont need take advantage of some of those cool gizmos). So if you have an evo 8 with a flux capacitor you want to intercept or a skewed angle-wangalator that is just dying to be messed with, maybe the new product will be for you. By in large, I think that most will continue to be very happy with the product we released for the evo 8, and will continue to run it.
At the end of the day we loved working with the chip torque crew over the past 4 years, but new advances in OEM technology require us to have new requirements of our ours' and we wouldn't have made the change over to this new product if it didn't offer something the XEDE did not. In terms of development, we are able to do a great deal more in house, which will speed up the development process and make the product more stable for the end user. We are very excited about all of this.
The evo 9 on the other hand is a different story, because of the MIVEC. Thusfar, MIVEC has not been intercepted and the PROcede will allow us to do so. The PROcede has one more analog in and out, three times as many digital inputs, and twice as many digital outs. It offers the ability to do speed limiter defeats and other nifty stuff (although the simplistic nature of the Evo ecu means that we wont need take advantage of some of those cool gizmos). So if you have an evo 8 with a flux capacitor you want to intercept or a skewed angle-wangalator that is just dying to be messed with, maybe the new product will be for you. By in large, I think that most will continue to be very happy with the product we released for the evo 8, and will continue to run it.
At the end of the day we loved working with the chip torque crew over the past 4 years, but new advances in OEM technology require us to have new requirements of our ours' and we wouldn't have made the change over to this new product if it didn't offer something the XEDE did not. In terms of development, we are able to do a great deal more in house, which will speed up the development process and make the product more stable for the end user. We are very excited about all of this.
I am going out on a limb and guessing that all innovation/development with the Xede is coming to a screeching halt?
Sooooo, what are we going to get with a $1300.00 PROcede???? I mean, that's a lot of cabbage!
--Will the supporting ECU flash be included and not extra, ala Xede?
--How many maps per bank?
--Map resolution?
--Thresholds? I am supposing so since you mentioned speed dependant functions
--Nesting of maps to go beyond 2D resolution? Floating variables?
--How many inputs/outputs?
--Of what type?
--Can 0-5v sensors (pressure, temp, octane sensor, skewed-angle-wanglelator, etc.) be used with these inputs?
--Can auxillary injectors be used with the outputs? Think sophisticated alky injection control or second fuel rail to kick-in with E85 in the tank.
--Is the CAS angle replication of the same quality that we are used too?
--Logging capabilites?
--How is the logging software to use? Hopefully not "load numbers to Xcel..."
--Will there be an actual alky injection module developed for the PROcede? Xede version didn't debut, I think.
--Will there be an O2 sensor controller on board, or will it remain external? Can SMART people use their Innovate products?
--Will there be support for other O2 controllers if it is external?
--USB connectivity? HINT, HINT...21st century in progress.
--Will it butter my toast????
And most of all:
--Will there be an upgrade program for those that have gone the Xede route and want to stay VISHNU-ized??
Inquiring minds want to know...I really don't like the idea of going away from the Xede (it's a comfort level thing...) I rather like how Xmap works. I rather like the ease of nesting maps, the logical thresholds. The input/output thing has been a pain form trying things (think boost compensation...thank goodness for users like Freedom!)
If the PROcede is the way of the future for piggybacks, I hope it is developed in house so Vishnu is intimately involved, and can react in the way say ECUplus does to user input/requests. This way you are not dependant on developers half a world away.
Sooooo, what are we going to get with a $1300.00 PROcede???? I mean, that's a lot of cabbage!
--Will the supporting ECU flash be included and not extra, ala Xede?
--How many maps per bank?
--Map resolution?
--Thresholds? I am supposing so since you mentioned speed dependant functions
--Nesting of maps to go beyond 2D resolution? Floating variables?
--How many inputs/outputs?
--Of what type?
--Can 0-5v sensors (pressure, temp, octane sensor, skewed-angle-wanglelator, etc.) be used with these inputs?
--Can auxillary injectors be used with the outputs? Think sophisticated alky injection control or second fuel rail to kick-in with E85 in the tank.
--Is the CAS angle replication of the same quality that we are used too?
--Logging capabilites?
--How is the logging software to use? Hopefully not "load numbers to Xcel..."
--Will there be an actual alky injection module developed for the PROcede? Xede version didn't debut, I think.
--Will there be an O2 sensor controller on board, or will it remain external? Can SMART people use their Innovate products?
--Will there be support for other O2 controllers if it is external?
--USB connectivity? HINT, HINT...21st century in progress.
--Will it butter my toast????
And most of all:
--Will there be an upgrade program for those that have gone the Xede route and want to stay VISHNU-ized??
Inquiring minds want to know...I really don't like the idea of going away from the Xede (it's a comfort level thing...) I rather like how Xmap works. I rather like the ease of nesting maps, the logical thresholds. The input/output thing has been a pain form trying things (think boost compensation...thank goodness for users like Freedom!)
If the PROcede is the way of the future for piggybacks, I hope it is developed in house so Vishnu is intimately involved, and can react in the way say ECUplus does to user input/requests. This way you are not dependant on developers half a world away.
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Hello all. I'm sure Dustin and Shiv will support all the EVO XEDE users to their best ability. They've achieved excellent results in the last few years.
Lachlan Riddel
Ok well I have been out of the loop for awhile. I used to have an Evo 8 and now I'm evoless. I have so many friends though that have Evo's and I'm always helping them do installs. I had a lot of experience with the XEDE, so now with all this Procede stuff coming out this is what I've come to the conclusion of.
People with an Evo 8 should stay with the XEDE V3. Smart or no Smart. (Now that their dirt cheap it would be stupid not too)
People with an Evo 9 should wait for the Procede developement since it will have a lot more flexibility with the MIVEC alone.
Would you say that most of you agree with this? I loved the XEDE and its great user friendlyness (if thats a word), I'm sad to see it go, but I'm glad to see that technology is advancing in both the Vishnu world and XEDE.
People with an Evo 8 should stay with the XEDE V3. Smart or no Smart. (Now that their dirt cheap it would be stupid not too)
People with an Evo 9 should wait for the Procede developement since it will have a lot more flexibility with the MIVEC alone.
Would you say that most of you agree with this? I loved the XEDE and its great user friendlyness (if thats a word), I'm sad to see it go, but I'm glad to see that technology is advancing in both the Vishnu world and XEDE.
If you think about it, its a good thing.. You always want to keep changing so that you can adapt and take advantage of new technology.. ie mivec. Perhaps the evo 10 will have uses for all teh extra inputs and outputs. Is a good thing that they are producing a new engine management system.
If you think about it, its a good thing.. You always want to keep changing so that you can adapt and take advantage of new technology.. ie mivec. Perhaps the evo 10 will have uses for all teh extra inputs and outputs. Is a good thing that they are producing a new engine management system.
Hell, look at the Haltech interceptor and the XEDE, and they use the same casing. They look identical except for the stickers.
THey had an EMS review in a car mag (can't remember which one...maybe D-Sport?) and the pictures of the Haltech and the XEDE were the same.
THey had an EMS review in a car mag (can't remember which one...maybe D-Sport?) and the pictures of the Haltech and the XEDE were the same.
But the Xede and Haltech use a completely different software interface. It is not even close. My question has been asked by others on the e90 board and has not been answered by Shiv and others.
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From this post I gather that it isn't a Haltech, though I may be misinterpreting what Shiv is saying.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ech#post761792
From this post I gather that it isn't a Haltech, though I may be misinterpreting what Shiv is saying.
From this post I gather that it isn't a Haltech, though I may be misinterpreting what Shiv is saying.
I do not care either way, but I would like to know if the PROceed is based on the Haltech. I am not planning to get another interceptor, the Xede that I have is more than enough and is likely to be my first and last interceptor.
I would assume that since the units look the same and have similar software interfaces (as say you) that they are, in fact, the same.
However, maybe Haltech just sources their system from the same place VIshnu does, and SHiv doesn't want to give away their supplier. Only a guess, because oftentimes how much a company can get a product for and what they charge for that product is a HUGE difference/mark-up.
My explanation is only conjecture, though.
However, maybe Haltech just sources their system from the same place VIshnu does, and SHiv doesn't want to give away their supplier. Only a guess, because oftentimes how much a company can get a product for and what they charge for that product is a HUGE difference/mark-up.
My explanation is only conjecture, though.