Hey Shiv
How much of stage 1+ will be used in your stage 2?
logic dictates that most components in the stage1 will indeed work with the new turbo, injectors ect.of the new stage 2..am I right in this assumption?

 

I dont think the stage 2 will upgrade the turbo quite yet- more like FMIC and fuel upgrades- Ill let Vishnu post for sure though

 

Hiya,
Stage 2 will indeed upgrade the turbo, exhaust manifold, injectors, pump and downpipe. About the only thing that it will share in common with Stage 1 is the cam gears and cat-back. It's a very serious package and should put down some very serious numbers.
cheers,
shiv

 

shiv...any ballpark estimates on price?

if we can't get a So Cal group together, i may be interested in driving up for the Stage 2 soon...

 

also, do you have an idea of the approx numbers that the Stage 1+ with camshafts can yield?

Im assuming that Stage 2 will upgrade the turbo b/c the Stage 1+ has maximized the potential of the stock 16g?

 

So the Down Pipe will need to be replaced?

Is that because the Turbo you will be using has a different footprint or because the the new exhaust manifold orients the turbo differently in relation to current downpipe?

I guess what I'm trying to figure out is, will I be able to modify my current standard series DP to work with the stage 2 set-up(which I'm really excited about). I just hate to waste money on parts that I have already purchased, espically since the only people I could sell the current DP to would be someone who already has the standard catback or is planning to get it.

 

The downpipe will have to be replaced due to the external wastegate we are running with the turbo. The turbo also sits a bit lower, with different flanges, and is much larger than the factory turbo. Packaging turned out to be the hardest thing for this project. The end results looks very nice though. I'm quite proud of it. I think you guys will like it.

As for performance, its still too early. All my traveling has hindered the calibration process. But it should be a stunner once complete. As far as peak power goes, *on our dyno*, a stock EVO makes ~200 and a Stage 1 around 245 (or around 270 on 100 octane). Stage 2 is going to make Stage 1 look like stock.

As for price, it'll be rather expensive. Lots of pricey hardware and lots of work went into it. We haven't even added it up yet. The more work we did, the more we got nickel and dimed to death! Interestingly enough, we've designed the kit to look essenstially stock when you pop the hood. I like sleepers

Cheers,
Shiv

 

Now here is the question I have, Will it pass emissions?

 

What about carb certification? heh.

 

Carb cert? that's funny

But it should sniff clean since we have access to just about every engine control parameter now including injector scaling, voltage compensations and inj. min-on times. So tailpipe sniff tests shouldn't be a problem, even with the big injectors. The big cams, however, might be an issue. They might be able to be cleaned up by tweaking the adj. cam gears but, at this point, way too early to tell for sure.

Cheers,
Shiv

 

So when I want to go with this in 6 month you think it should be smooth? Also what about the clutch?

 

What cams are you thinking about?

 

Clutch goes bye bye within a block. Seriously this will be MAJOR power. check out his site under the WRX stage 3 just to get a flavor. Are you sure your ready??

 

I think 2004 when I do a lot of track days I may go for it at the end of the year, I want to do stage 1 first without the down pipe now because I don't want to waste $700 on something I will throw out in stage 2

 

Will the stage 2 cams be the same as the stage 1+ cams (which last I heard were of the 264/264 variety)?