Aw.. couldn't resist. I don't know all the specifics yet but the one and only XEDE user (with a totally stock car) at the St Louis dyno day/group buy (organized by another tuner shop) layeth down the smack in a big way. I'm guess the results will be posted up on the main forum within the next day or so.

Cheers,
shiv

 

GO SHIV !!!!! I cant wait to find out the results also! I personally got my money on the Exede in that contest

Its like a pyton eating garter snakes!

I would love to have had a custom flashed client of mine there also - but not practical

I just dont get the whole concept of having a "dyno day" to install a through the mail generic flash - - UNLESS - its to show how bad the tunes are ?????

This event will be the true test of the so called "Dinan" theory of tuning that they have advanced on car to car variations

At least when you get a dyno day from Shiv or I there is some actual tuning going on to tune the item to match your car.

Of course - if we see any variations from this Works dyno day - if you subscribe to the Work's theory - it would all be because of dyno errors and lack of wind flow ??????

I wonder why there have not released any results yet - did they force the participants to sign a non-disclosure agreement?

 

Shiv - I have tons of respect for anybody that develops parts for an awesome car like the EVO.

Here's what I want to know - why can't we all just get along. The Vinshu path seems like an excellent choice for a lot of people. I did not choose it because I did not want to spend $895 on a reflash. After the install, I did not want to have to adjust it whenever the seasons changed. Just my preference.

I instead, chose to spend $515 (GB discount) to have a mod done that promised nearly the same (yes a bit less) hp and not have to worry about resetting it.

Could I have gotten more hp for the extra $300 - yes. Would I have to adjust it to keep it at the top notch level - yes. I just didn't want to mess with it.

I've been tracking the Vinshu accomplishments, and they sound great. Keep it going. I, unfortunately, do not have the $$$ to go ***** out.

As for a 'smackdown' - doesn't seem the case. As for other cars - you'd have to ask the owners. I got a 27whp increase, and I'm happy.

 

515 for 27 whp is a good deal, but why do you think that a Xede User always has to adjust depending on weather? I know a few people were hitting boost cut because of the colder weather and the open loop boost control but not a big deal. Everything is plug and play set it and for get it.

Just IMHO.

Eric

 

The effects of temperature, climate, etc,. have the same affects on a stock or reflashed ECU as they do on an XEDE car. But the XEDE allows one to compensate for it and maintain maximum performance (if so desired). This is an advantage, not a compromise. The notion that the tune has to be tinkered with regularly is false. Many who purchase the XEDE like to take advantage of the tunability while many others simply plug it in and never touch the thing again. Either approach works fine. Unless, of course, the car is running 3rd party mods which we don't have maps for. In such a case, custom tuning is necessary to get max performance.

Regards,
Shiv

PS. Yes, i cleaned up the thread. No name calling guys.

 

Eric,
I know you can do that - but help me out here - if you want the best numbers, shouldn't you be adjusting for differing conditions??

I might be off, but that's how I understand it.

 

Thanks for the clarification Shiv!

 

Different topic, but since 2 tuning vendors are watching.

If you get 2 evo's, both stock, 1 makes 210 & the other makes 230 whp. You perform identical mods to each & then dyno tune them. Is there that 20 whp difference after tuning both cars???

 

If you want the absolute best output, one would need to tweak the mapping as the environment and testing conditions change. Custom tuning for environmental changes may be worth 1-2% output since one could effectively tune just short of the knock threshold which will change ever so slightly with ambient condition changes. However, these gains would be hard to track on a dyno since most dynos offer temp, baro, etc compensions. But realistically, this doesn't really apply since most tuners don't tune their cars at their safety limit. Instead, a bit of margin in self in there to accomodate a band tank of gas, extreme temps, heatsoak from sustained load, etc,. As far as I know, the only custom tweaking of the baseline that may be required by our customers running our stages is dialing up or down of the boost map. This is due to a number of things such as differences in altitudes, ambient conditions. You'll also notice that boost varies as much as 1-2 psi in stock cars. This custom tweaking accounts for this and brings everything up (or down) to snuff. With a non-tunable reflash, the tuner is forced to settle for the lowest common denominator which explains why not all cars make anything close to the target hp gains.

Best Regards,
Shiv

 

You’re only talking one or two ponies by doing so after a custom dyno tune. Even the base maps are great and work perfectly if you follow the Vishnu upgrade path with there parts. Also the stock ECU adjusts for outside temp witch works great with the Xede as a combo.

I understand the Reflash is a great option for someone that does not want to have any control of EM. For most people that don't understand all the factors involved so it's very appealing.

My Best
Eric

 

Im in the same boat as Boomn. While my brother EVO8power went with Shiv and is having mixed results, I went to Al for some of the same reasons as Boomn. Number 1 being the GREAT price of 450$ when he had the special, not sure if thats his price now. Alos I hear he was good and maximized your cars specific potential. And I as well didnt want to have to fiddle with anything because of new mods, weather, etc. And he delivered on mine. Gaining 31 WHP. Ive onyl ran it 3 times since the reflash and have went from 13.20@102 to 12.98@106.5. And I know I can run it even better with what I have on it now. I hear Shiv does a great job too, but we have the reflash by Al and exede in the same family with same mods to a tee just about, and all his runs have his boost cutting off and when he actually got a good run in one the original map, ran a 13.14 with a better 60 ft then mine. Al would have been proud when i beat an STI during my 12.9 run, he ran a 13.1. My top end is just phenominal now!!! 450$ for 31whp is a bargain.

 

Because this is business, they are all competitors and they all want your money.

 

 

The point - ask Shiv - he posted it.

 

Same mods? That doesnt look anything like your bros that he pmed me. Were is that TXS r34?