ShapeGSX, what use is datalogging on a specific temp, humidity, altitude, etc. when every time you run your car everything changes. It may be cool and 60 your first run and sunny and 80 your second. I don't think your getting Shiv's point that he controls every aspect of the environment while tuning on his dyno. He can achieve gains based on a mostly fixed condition. I also don't understand why you tell Shiv (the tuner) that there's more in it. He is limited to his launching skills and the cars gearing (top end), not the tuning aspect of his motor. However, if he was in a heads up race competition, a little datalogging may help fine tune his a/f map, but even then, if he has everything tuned close at his shop, he'll be lucky to pick up a few hp at best. And this, my friend, is from years of datalogging and tuning my old 900hp DFI Camaro.

Shiv, there are 4.11 gear-sets available for the JDM EVO, any chance we will get them over here?

 

Sure, if that's the way it happens, then that's the way it happens. RMR's driving abilities are legend and I'd like nothing better than to see him take his own car to 10/10ths.


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So true. The tuner should specify who should drive or a mag provided pro driver should drive both

 

Exactly! You just gave the very reason FOR datalogging! Everything in the environment changes. And if you want to tune your car perfectly for the environment your car is in, then you have to tune your car on the fly. And the only way to do this is to datalog.

Perhaps the weather is 30 degrees cooler at the track than it was when you tuned your car at the dyno. So you can run more boost and perhaps even some more timing advance and get another 20hp out of the car. But you willnever know unless you datalog your engine while you are at the track. Same goes for the other way around. If the car is tuned for 60 degree weather, but you are racing on a 90 degree day, the car may not run optimally with the dyno tuned settings.

Since when is more data a bad thing?

The dyno is a controlled environment. But we don't drive or race in a controlled environment. You can get a good baseline on a dyno, but there may be more to gain given the particular conditons that happen at the track.

 

HAHAH, so true. ALthoguh John at Road Race is one kick *** driver too. He won SCC's ultimate car challenge in a 2g eclipse!

 

Good point. Mueller is an ace on a road course. And RRE sure does have a kick-butt car. I get most of my parts from them. Great shop for sure.

 

No matter what rules the magazine sets with regard to drivers, testing, etc,. there will always be reason for people to b#$tch and moan afterwards about how unfairly they were treated and robbed of the win Who knows, we may be the ones doing that this time!

Cheers,
Shiv

PS. If I have to go head-to-head against Rhys in a driving competition, I'm going home

But I'd agree to it if it meant being able to watch big Al drive his EVO in anything other than a straight line

 

Whoever is organizing the event most likely looks at Evom regularly and is tired of reading "King Al Windbag", so he/she sure as Hades doesn't want to hear "King Al Windbag" in person... Or your crying "UNFAIR!" when you come in dead freaking last against these other guys who are actual real tuners. See ya in the bleachers, Big Al! Wave to the cameras for all of us.

 

Although you may have not liked drag racing on this particular day... I would encourage you to try it again. A good day should get your 5+ passes. Keep in mind, this is great advertising. For those like myself who drag race, seeing you put down a 11.6 makes me respect your product.

 

Shiv - why the obesssion with Big AL?

Why not just enjoy your car and make your runs?

Why are you insulting Al and calling him out and then you ban his screen names from responding in this forum?

Why are you not accetping Al's challenge to race him in the Evo shootout ? Drag race - road race - lets see how the better man is ??

If Al is willing to drive his car 3,000 miles to race you why not make it happen with your boys at SCC and let him into the contest ???

Are you afraid?

 

i doubt it

 

im so mad at all this **** talking, al does a good job. and he dont even know me yet, but ill be there to get my ecu done by him shortly. but i got his back and ill put some $ on his side. and al if you need any help, my car is stock and runs 12.5@110mph, i got your back. charlie

 

that is great times for a stock car. do you mind posting the slips?

 

 

Your credibility is gone with the above post. Go tell your lies somewhere else.