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actually there is an all dsm salvage yard in the U.S. it is in the san fernando valley, ca. they also have a few newer rx-7's. i went there with a friend while he was looking for a 1st gen block for his 98' gst. just thought i should clarify.
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Originally posted by 5StarSuzuki
I guess making 2 times the power that Shiv makes doesen't count for understanding DSM's.
I guess making 2 times the power that Shiv makes doesen't count for understanding DSM's.
440whp on our AWD DD dyno should be around 500whp on a AWD Dynojet.
500whp on an AWD Dynojet should be around 550-560whp on a 2wd Dynojet. Again, stock motor without even strengthened rod bolts of head studs holding it together.
Now, 2 times that output is 1100-1120whp which, as far as I know, is a bit more than anyone else is claiming. In fact, I think Buschur's tube frame 7 second drag car "only" puts down around 750whp on a 2wd Dynojet, IIRC.
Regards,
Shiv
Originally posted by shiv@vishnu
To put our AWD Dyno Dynamics numbers into perspective, thiink of things this way:
440whp on our AWD DD dyno should be around 500whp on a AWD Dynojet.
500whp on an AWD Dynojet should be around 550-560whp on a 2wd Dynojet. Again, stock motor without even strengthened rod bolts of head studs holding it together.
Now, 2 times that output is 1100-1120whp which, as far as I know, is a bit more than anyone else is claiming. In fact, I think Buschur's tube frame 7 second drag car "only" puts down around 750whp on a 2wd Dynojet, IIRC.
Regards,
Shiv
To put our AWD Dyno Dynamics numbers into perspective, thiink of things this way:
440whp on our AWD DD dyno should be around 500whp on a AWD Dynojet.
500whp on an AWD Dynojet should be around 550-560whp on a 2wd Dynojet. Again, stock motor without even strengthened rod bolts of head studs holding it together.
Now, 2 times that output is 1100-1120whp which, as far as I know, is a bit more than anyone else is claiming. In fact, I think Buschur's tube frame 7 second drag car "only" puts down around 750whp on a 2wd Dynojet, IIRC.
Regards,
Shiv
Again everyone seems to be dupped into amazement of the DSM gods spells delightfully overlooking/ignoring/or otherwise not understanding very basic concepts such as their favorite demigod running untuneable $2500 standalones, Race gas, tube frames, and 2000 lbs rolling cages which they somehow mistake for being remotely close to there 3400 lbs .99cent/gal fueled behemoth.
No wonder blue tailpipe smoke mods and 4g63 engine builders are publicly traded on nasdaq
Everyone thinks they can hump around like Ron Jeremy and think the clap is part of the game
Im turning into a moderately sized Al
Originally posted by MP5
No wonder blue tailpipe smoke mods and 4g63 engine builders are publicly traded on nasdaq
Everyone thinks they can hump around like Ron Jeremy and think the clap is part of the game
Im turning into a moderately sized Al
No wonder blue tailpipe smoke mods and 4g63 engine builders are publicly traded on nasdaq
Everyone thinks they can hump around like Ron Jeremy and think the clap is part of the game
Im turning into a moderately sized Al
Originally posted by 5StarSuzuki
To make the accusation that Shiv makes a flatter and safer powerband is ridiculous. Anyone who can tune these products correctly (and with a copy of AEM EFI Basic's, a datalogger and wideband-anyone can) will get near identical results.
To make the accusation that Shiv makes a flatter and safer powerband is ridiculous. Anyone who can tune these products correctly (and with a copy of AEM EFI Basic's, a datalogger and wideband-anyone can) will get near identical results.
Really, saying you can get "near identical" results with an S-AFC is like saying a steak knife will give you "near identical" results in a tracheotomy.
E) Enough with these magical numbers. I want to go fast as least expensively as possible.
Last edited by ez76; Jan 1, 2004 at 01:22 PM.
A Dynograph using "steak knife" tuning.
I know the EXEDE performs as advertised, but it's a piggyback fuel/ignition system. Give me a single piece of evidence it's going to deliver more power and a broader powerband. Without tampering with the stock knock correction, because we have already seen the dyno graphs with unsafe tuning.
I don't want analogies. I want FACTS. So stop with the bunk.
I know the EXEDE performs as advertised, but it's a piggyback fuel/ignition system. Give me a single piece of evidence it's going to deliver more power and a broader powerband. Without tampering with the stock knock correction, because we have already seen the dyno graphs with unsafe tuning.
I don't want analogies. I want FACTS. So stop with the bunk.
Last edited by 5StarSuzuki; Jan 2, 2004 at 07:03 AM.
Originally posted by 5StarSuzuki
No replies? What? You finally discovered that you had NO basis to even start this thread.
No replies? What? You finally discovered that you had NO basis to even start this thread.
Last edited by MP5; Jan 1, 2004 at 05:05 PM.
What difference would the powerband [not total hp] make on a 2WD vs. 4WD dyno?
(Another moronic claim)
You can't say anything intelligent. Just say it... You don't know what your talking about. The best you can come up with is ridiculous accusations. To accuse a SAFC as being a meat cleaver shows your knowledge. The EXEDE works...ok. So does the SAFC for 1/3 the price...It's just as safe and makes just as broad of a powerband. Give some facts about how much better the EXEDE controls boost than a 60 dollar hallman. It's not any better. (Just for references...the HKS EVC which is the most expensive -forget world electronics pos- boost controller and it costs $500) So stop embellishing to attempt to prove your point.
Do you think they run an EXEDE and fancy electronic boost controller on any of the NHRA RWD class cars?
DON'T RESPOND UNLESS YOU CAN BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE.
(Another moronic claim)
You can't say anything intelligent. Just say it... You don't know what your talking about. The best you can come up with is ridiculous accusations. To accuse a SAFC as being a meat cleaver shows your knowledge. The EXEDE works...ok. So does the SAFC for 1/3 the price...It's just as safe and makes just as broad of a powerband. Give some facts about how much better the EXEDE controls boost than a 60 dollar hallman. It's not any better. (Just for references...the HKS EVC which is the most expensive -forget world electronics pos- boost controller and it costs $500) So stop embellishing to attempt to prove your point.
Do you think they run an EXEDE and fancy electronic boost controller on any of the NHRA RWD class cars?
DON'T RESPOND UNLESS YOU CAN BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE.
Last edited by 5StarSuzuki; Jan 1, 2004 at 05:14 PM.
I can, the SAFC is a POS and I know someone who had one and went for a ride in my evo and said it was super smooth. He said SAFC was not smooth at all and boost was all over the place. This is the one from Buschur with his 15 years exp tuning DSM's. This is like saying a clone computer is better then a Dell because Dell costs more, but the Dell works better, everything is tested in a controlled environment, and they failure rate is 1 in 10,000. Buschur is the clone of the EVO market, for the people who don't want to spend the cash on the REAL deal and say, "what's the difference they are both the same speed" Then the clone blows up and never is really running right. We can go on and on, I spent $2,700 to make buschur's $4,000 power levels and I did it with better parts and less parts.
Originally posted by 5StarSuzuki
What difference would the powerband [not total hp] make on a 2WD vs. 4WD dyno?
(Another moronic claim)
You can't say anything intelligent. Just say it... You don't know what your talking about. The best you can come up with is ridiculous accusations. To accuse a SAFC as being a meat cleaver shows your knowledge. The EXEDE works...ok. So does the SAFC for 1/3 the price...It's just as safe and makes just as broad of a powerband. Give some facts about how much better the EXEDE controls boost than a 60 dollar hallman. It's not any better. Do you think they run a EXEDE and fancy electronic boost controller on any of the NHRA RWD class cars?
DON'T RESPOND UNLESS YOU CAN BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE.
What difference would the powerband [not total hp] make on a 2WD vs. 4WD dyno?
(Another moronic claim)
You can't say anything intelligent. Just say it... You don't know what your talking about. The best you can come up with is ridiculous accusations. To accuse a SAFC as being a meat cleaver shows your knowledge. The EXEDE works...ok. So does the SAFC for 1/3 the price...It's just as safe and makes just as broad of a powerband. Give some facts about how much better the EXEDE controls boost than a 60 dollar hallman. It's not any better. Do you think they run a EXEDE and fancy electronic boost controller on any of the NHRA RWD class cars?
DON'T RESPOND UNLESS YOU CAN BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE.
Originally posted by 5StarSuzuki
What difference would the powerband [not total hp] make on a 2WD vs. 4WD dyno?
(Another moronic claim)
You can't say anything intelligent. Just say it... You don't know what your talking about. The best you can come up with is ridiculous accusations. To accuse a SAFC as being a meat cleaver shows your knowledge. The EXEDE works...ok. So does the SAFC for 1/3 the price...It's just as safe and makes just as broad of a powerband.
DON'T RESPOND UNLESS YOU CAN BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE.
What difference would the powerband [not total hp] make on a 2WD vs. 4WD dyno?
(Another moronic claim)
You can't say anything intelligent. Just say it... You don't know what your talking about. The best you can come up with is ridiculous accusations. To accuse a SAFC as being a meat cleaver shows your knowledge. The EXEDE works...ok. So does the SAFC for 1/3 the price...It's just as safe and makes just as broad of a powerband.
DON'T RESPOND UNLESS YOU CAN BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE.
Take this- oh well you prolly took quite a few
--in response to Dynoqueen--
A) Both the EXEDE and SAFC have to be tuned to run properly. You obviously don't know what your talking about.
B) SAFC doesen't control boost. You obviously don't know what your talking about.
c) Any tuner can create a safe power level. You obviously don't know what your talking about?
So your making 400whp with the stock turbo? Back your claims up with facts. Buschur's exhaust out flows the competition, his intake is 3 inches. How are you possibly going to make more power than him using vishnu's parts?
BTW: I purchased a AEM EMS w/ built-in UEGO controller. (although I'm selling my unit to pay for my tuition increase and purchasing one at the end of the summer)
A) Both the EXEDE and SAFC have to be tuned to run properly. You obviously don't know what your talking about.
B) SAFC doesen't control boost. You obviously don't know what your talking about.
c) Any tuner can create a safe power level. You obviously don't know what your talking about?
So your making 400whp with the stock turbo? Back your claims up with facts. Buschur's exhaust out flows the competition, his intake is 3 inches. How are you possibly going to make more power than him using vishnu's parts?
BTW: I purchased a AEM EMS w/ built-in UEGO controller. (although I'm selling my unit to pay for my tuition increase and purchasing one at the end of the summer)
Last edited by 5StarSuzuki; Jan 1, 2004 at 05:35 PM.


