Which stage is required to make the Evo runs comparable with the big boys?
Originally posted by fly2low
I have couple concerns about modding the car.
1) My two other cars are mods; stroked and bored. I need a car that is reliable enough for daily use. Somehow, the devil lurked me into buying the Evo for daily driving
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Hence,
2) I don't want a car with a loud exhaust.
3) I don't want a car that is less drivable and breaks down often.
I am planning to sell my 4 dr 400hp V8 BMW since I don't see any use of it anymore, anyway. I want my Evo as the replacement for that car. Evo just lacks a bit of power to make it perfect.
I was thinking of the XFLASH, but I am affraid it is not enough. I am intrigued to go for Stage 1 or 1+, but I really have the loud exhaust concern.
Any advice?
I have couple concerns about modding the car.
1) My two other cars are mods; stroked and bored. I need a car that is reliable enough for daily use. Somehow, the devil lurked me into buying the Evo for daily driving
.Hence,
2) I don't want a car with a loud exhaust.
3) I don't want a car that is less drivable and breaks down often.
I am planning to sell my 4 dr 400hp V8 BMW since I don't see any use of it anymore, anyway. I want my Evo as the replacement for that car. Evo just lacks a bit of power to make it perfect.
I was thinking of the XFLASH, but I am affraid it is not enough. I am intrigued to go for Stage 1 or 1+, but I really have the loud exhaust concern.
Any advice?
Also a Turbocharged vehicle will be quieter than a comparable naturally aspirated vehicle with the same exhaust.
Last edited by 954DRGSR; Feb 4, 2004 at 06:57 AM.
I hate to flame but it will...Pat your selves on the back all you want an evo will need MORE power than either of those cars to stand a chance if you go from 75+ mph
WHY?
because after 100 mph areo dynamics become 3 times more important than power the evo is a brick, with a wing designed FOR drag M5 & E55's have a much more areo dynamic shapes than an EVO.
Also and E55 has 469 hp to have a chance in an evo you will need at least 550 because of the shap of the car. Also power to weight ratio means alot less when all of the weight is already going at free way speeds.
check how fast all of these cars get to 155 or how fast they get from 100 to 155
Its 21 seconds in a 996tt
19 in an E55
the evo barley gets there, EVER.
and evo puts up great 0-60; 1/4th mile, 0-100 times because it has all wheel drive hooks up like no ones business and is really light relative to other cars. no of this will help on the freeway.
WHY?
because after 100 mph areo dynamics become 3 times more important than power the evo is a brick, with a wing designed FOR drag M5 & E55's have a much more areo dynamic shapes than an EVO.
Also and E55 has 469 hp to have a chance in an evo you will need at least 550 because of the shap of the car. Also power to weight ratio means alot less when all of the weight is already going at free way speeds.
check how fast all of these cars get to 155 or how fast they get from 100 to 155
Its 21 seconds in a 996tt
19 in an E55
the evo barley gets there, EVER.
and evo puts up great 0-60; 1/4th mile, 0-100 times because it has all wheel drive hooks up like no ones business and is really light relative to other cars. no of this will help on the freeway.
Last edited by absinthe; Feb 11, 2004 at 05:07 PM.
where is that BS flag icon I have seen?
this was from a stop, no from an 80mph roll here you have a chance.
stage 1 has what maybe 375 hp how do you beat a car that doesnt have to wait for its turbo to spool and has more power than you with this set up? and exactly how 375 hp could beat 493 is beyond me.
Originally posted by steve_evo
FWIW I raced a CLK 55 AMG which has the 360hp/370tq motor, the car weighs 3650lbs.... so basically 400lbs more than the EVO w/no sunroof which I have.
The race was starting at the traffic light and going up an overpass, so the torque really helps in this case.
I only have the xflash on my car, we started off quick I got a little ahead of him in 1st gear, then he comes up on me in 2nd, I rip through 3rd and almost pass him, then we are in 4th and he's neck and neck with me, but pulling away slowly.
With the weight penalty he has, I can guesstimate another 40hp to my car (100lbs=10hp). So that would mean about 340hp for my car and 20hp down to his car.
I think that if we would of raced on a flat road continuously I would of had the advantage.
But to answer your question, I think Stage 1 (flash, exhaust, cam gears) is plenty to beat M5s and AMG 55s.
Steve
FWIW I raced a CLK 55 AMG which has the 360hp/370tq motor, the car weighs 3650lbs.... so basically 400lbs more than the EVO w/no sunroof which I have.
The race was starting at the traffic light and going up an overpass, so the torque really helps in this case.
I only have the xflash on my car, we started off quick I got a little ahead of him in 1st gear, then he comes up on me in 2nd, I rip through 3rd and almost pass him, then we are in 4th and he's neck and neck with me, but pulling away slowly.
With the weight penalty he has, I can guesstimate another 40hp to my car (100lbs=10hp). So that would mean about 340hp for my car and 20hp down to his car.
I think that if we would of raced on a flat road continuously I would of had the advantage.
But to answer your question, I think Stage 1 (flash, exhaust, cam gears) is plenty to beat M5s and AMG 55s.
Steve
stage 1 has what maybe 375 hp how do you beat a car that doesnt have to wait for its turbo to spool and has more power than you with this set up? and exactly how 375 hp could beat 493 is beyond me.
Originally posted by absinthe
493
493
You're thinking of a different car the E55 has the 469 hp engine and the CLK55 has a 362 hp engine.
See models here:
E55:http://www.mbusa.com/brand/container...&modelCode=E55
CLK55:http://www.mbusa.com/brand/container...delCode=CLK55C
Originally posted by 954DRGSR
You're thinking of a different car the E55 has the 469 hp engine and the CLK55 has a 362 hp engine.
See models here:
E55:http://www.mbusa.com/brand/container...&modelCode=E55
CLK55:http://www.mbusa.com/brand/container...delCode=CLK55C
You're thinking of a different car the E55 has the 469 hp engine and the CLK55 has a 362 hp engine.
See models here:
E55:http://www.mbusa.com/brand/container...&modelCode=E55
CLK55:http://www.mbusa.com/brand/container...delCode=CLK55C
I hust got annoyed because I am fairly sure i have seen 9000 threads on the SRT forums about how they can beat an evo from a roll with mods. We laugh at them and then say things like this?
Last edited by absinthe; Feb 11, 2004 at 05:06 PM.
and to add 10 lbs does not equal on HP if I take 300 lbs out of my car it will be slow the an evo with 300+ hp
take my carrera 2600+ lbs power between 255-270 10 to 1 power to weight ratio, still slower (barely) than the evo which is around 12 to 1 (feel free to correct me their did it in my head)
take my carrera 2600+ lbs power between 255-270 10 to 1 power to weight ratio, still slower (barely) than the evo which is around 12 to 1 (feel free to correct me their did it in my head)
Last edited by absinthe; Feb 11, 2004 at 05:11 PM.
Originally posted by absinthe
I hust got annoyed because I am fairly sure i have seen 9000 threads on the SRT forums about how they can beat an evo from a roll with mods. We laugh at them and then say things like this?
I hust got annoyed because I am fairly sure i have seen 9000 threads on the SRT forums about how they can beat an evo from a roll with mods. We laugh at them and then say things like this?
BUT:
1. Not from a dead stop.
2. Not around corners
3. Not in braking.
You make an excellent point about aerodynamics being a huge factor, the Evo being crippled by a 0.36Cd vs. the E55's .028Cd (wow).
How do you figure? Freeway speed or not, the E55's engine still has to motivate 4100+ pounds to vs. the Evo's 3250+.
Also power to weight ratio means alot less when all of the weight is already going at free way speeds.
stage 2 would do it!
Ridden in one and pulls like crazy.
http://www.vishnutuning.com/lancer_stage_zero_2.htm
Ridden in one and pulls like crazy.
http://www.vishnutuning.com/lancer_stage_zero_2.htm
So ignoring gearing and frontal area factors (which are probably significant), it looks like our Evos would have to be making at least 30% more torque per unit weight to counter effects of drag vs. the E55?
Originally posted by ez76
You make an excellent point about aerodynamics being a huge factor, the Evo being crippled by a 0.36Cd vs. the E55's .028Cd (wow).
How do you figure? Freeway speed or not, the E55's engine still has to motivate 4100+ pounds to vs. the Evo's 3250+.
You make an excellent point about aerodynamics being a huge factor, the Evo being crippled by a 0.36Cd vs. the E55's .028Cd (wow).
How do you figure? Freeway speed or not, the E55's engine still has to motivate 4100+ pounds to vs. the Evo's 3250+.
Originally posted by absinthe
it requires much less force to move an object that is already moving that it does one that is stationary so this helps to negate the weight diffence.
it requires much less force to move an object that is already moving that it does one that is stationary so this helps to negate the weight diffence.


