Alcohol injection getting bad rap
Alcohol injection getting bad rap
I've seen a few posts where guys are bad mouthing alcohol injection.
Here's my opinion, and I've been running it for almost a year now.
If you are worried about blowing up...Don't!
If you get a conservative tune, you have nothing to worry about. Even if it fails, (which is highly unlikely), your ecu will compensate by pulling timing (most stand alone EMS's have a knock/timing feature too).
When you feel the loss of power, get off the gas, (just like you should whenever you feel anything funny under boost. Don't try to "dive thru" anything).
Even if you get an aggressive tune, (leaned out afr and advanced timing), to take full advantage of the injection, you'll still have time to react.
It's not like the injection stops and instant "blow-up".
Just like everything else, these systems require to be maintained. Every oil change, (3000 miles), I clean out my water filter and check the injector out. I also have a a low fluid indicator light, pump on light and clogged injector light.
I use a coolingmist system, which isn't progressive. (They are coming out with a progressive controller soon, which is supposed to be the best out there.)
I think you have a higher chance of losing a fuel injector than having an alcohol injection kit fail, (simple design).
I don't personnaly have experience with the SMC progressive controller, but I think all the above applies.
I run a 50/50 mix of methanol/H2O, have my fuel leaned out to 11.5:1 and timing advanced, I run 91 octane and push 28 psi daily. My resevior lasts 3-4 tanks of fuel and costs $3.75 to fill up.
This is the BEST mod you can do for a turbo vehicle....PERIOD!
Here's my opinion, and I've been running it for almost a year now.
If you are worried about blowing up...Don't!
If you get a conservative tune, you have nothing to worry about. Even if it fails, (which is highly unlikely), your ecu will compensate by pulling timing (most stand alone EMS's have a knock/timing feature too).
When you feel the loss of power, get off the gas, (just like you should whenever you feel anything funny under boost. Don't try to "dive thru" anything).
Even if you get an aggressive tune, (leaned out afr and advanced timing), to take full advantage of the injection, you'll still have time to react.
It's not like the injection stops and instant "blow-up".
Just like everything else, these systems require to be maintained. Every oil change, (3000 miles), I clean out my water filter and check the injector out. I also have a a low fluid indicator light, pump on light and clogged injector light.
I use a coolingmist system, which isn't progressive. (They are coming out with a progressive controller soon, which is supposed to be the best out there.)
I think you have a higher chance of losing a fuel injector than having an alcohol injection kit fail, (simple design).
I don't personnaly have experience with the SMC progressive controller, but I think all the above applies.
I run a 50/50 mix of methanol/H2O, have my fuel leaned out to 11.5:1 and timing advanced, I run 91 octane and push 28 psi daily. My resevior lasts 3-4 tanks of fuel and costs $3.75 to fill up.
This is the BEST mod you can do for a turbo vehicle....PERIOD!
Originally Posted by bishiboy
I've seen a few posts where guys are bad mouthing alcohol injection.
Here's my opinion, and I've been running it for almost a year now.
If you are worried about blowing up...Don't!
If you get a conservative tune, you have nothing to worry about. Even if it fails, (which is highly unlikely), your ecu will compensate by pulling timing (most stand alone EMS's have a knock/timing feature too).
When you feel the loss of power, get off the gas, (just like you should whenever you feel anything funny under boost. Don't try to "dive thru" anything).
Even if you get an aggressive tune, (leaned out afr and advanced timing), to take full advantage of the injection, you'll still have time to react.
It's not like the injection stops and instant "blow-up".
Just like everything else, these systems require to be maintained. Every oil change, (3000 miles), I clean out my water filter and check the injector out. I also have a a low fluid indicator light, pump on light and clogged injector light.
I use a coolingmist system, which isn't progressive. (They are coming out with a progressive controller soon, which is supposed to be the best out there.)
I think you have a higher chance of losing a fuel injector than having an alcohol injection kit fail, (simple design).
I don't personnaly have experience with the SMC progressive controller, but I think all the above applies.
I run a 50/50 mix of methanol/H2O, have my fuel leaned out to 11.5:1 and timing advanced, I run 91 octane and push 28 psi daily. My resevior lasts 3-4 tanks of fuel and costs $3.75 to fill up.
This is the BEST mod you can do for a turbo vehicle....PERIOD!
Here's my opinion, and I've been running it for almost a year now.
If you are worried about blowing up...Don't!
If you get a conservative tune, you have nothing to worry about. Even if it fails, (which is highly unlikely), your ecu will compensate by pulling timing (most stand alone EMS's have a knock/timing feature too).
When you feel the loss of power, get off the gas, (just like you should whenever you feel anything funny under boost. Don't try to "dive thru" anything).
Even if you get an aggressive tune, (leaned out afr and advanced timing), to take full advantage of the injection, you'll still have time to react.
It's not like the injection stops and instant "blow-up".
Just like everything else, these systems require to be maintained. Every oil change, (3000 miles), I clean out my water filter and check the injector out. I also have a a low fluid indicator light, pump on light and clogged injector light.
I use a coolingmist system, which isn't progressive. (They are coming out with a progressive controller soon, which is supposed to be the best out there.)
I think you have a higher chance of losing a fuel injector than having an alcohol injection kit fail, (simple design).
I don't personnaly have experience with the SMC progressive controller, but I think all the above applies.
I run a 50/50 mix of methanol/H2O, have my fuel leaned out to 11.5:1 and timing advanced, I run 91 octane and push 28 psi daily. My resevior lasts 3-4 tanks of fuel and costs $3.75 to fill up.
This is the BEST mod you can do for a turbo vehicle....PERIOD!
Also the addition of a simple boost cut solenoid will be nice if a fault is detected. Ppl do concentrating hard on the road when "driving fast" and paying less attention to everything else.
Originally Posted by bishiboy
Just like everything else, these systems require to be maintained. Every oil change, (3000 miles), I clean out my water filter and check the injector out. I also have a a low fluid indicator light, pump on light and clogged injector light.
Hey Rod, yep, 87 **** **** gas. Nick from PD will be coming to phoenix again, will maybe switch to 91 and a bigger water jet. Like to see the limits of water. Actually, i actually mix 50/50 87 91 yesterday driving down to arivaca, partial throttle response is a bit laggy, dont know if it was the heat.
Originally Posted by bishiboy
Abner, you really running 87 octane.
I guess the Aquamist can make up for the octane, but I'd think you'd get more with 91?
I guess the Aquamist can make up for the octane, but I'd think you'd get more with 91?
Let me know when Nick comes back. I really need a re-tune. I've made way too many changes since my last Dynoflash.
I'm going to "get by" with a SAFC until I can get re-tuned.
I'm going to "get by" with a SAFC until I can get re-tuned.
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will do! 
you sold the utec but kept the tuner?
you sold the utec but kept the tuner?
Originally Posted by bishiboy
Let me know when Nick comes back. I really need a re-tune. I've made way too many changes since my last Dynoflash.
I'm going to "get by" with a SAFC until I can get re-tuned.
I'm going to "get by" with a SAFC until I can get re-tuned.
Originally Posted by bishiboy
I've seen a few posts where guys are bad mouthing alcohol injection.
Here's my opinion, and I've been running it for almost a year now.
If you are worried about blowing up...Don't!
If you get a conservative tune, you have nothing to worry about. Even if it fails, (which is highly unlikely), your ecu will compensate by pulling timing (most stand alone EMS's have a knock/timing feature too).
When you feel the loss of power, get off the gas, (just like you should whenever you feel anything funny under boost. Don't try to "dive thru" anything).
Even if you get an aggressive tune, (leaned out afr and advanced timing), to take full advantage of the injection, you'll still have time to react.
It's not like the injection stops and instant "blow-up".
Just like everything else, these systems require to be maintained. Every oil change, (3000 miles), I clean out my water filter and check the injector out. I also have a a low fluid indicator light, pump on light and clogged injector light.
I use a coolingmist system, which isn't progressive. (They are coming out with a progressive controller soon, which is supposed to be the best out there.)
I think you have a higher chance of losing a fuel injector than having an alcohol injection kit fail, (simple design).
I don't personnaly have experience with the SMC progressive controller, but I think all the above applies.
I run a 50/50 mix of methanol/H2O, have my fuel leaned out to 11.5:1 and timing advanced, I run 91 octane and push 28 psi daily. My resevior lasts 3-4 tanks of fuel and costs $3.75 to fill up.
This is the BEST mod you can do for a turbo vehicle....PERIOD!
Here's my opinion, and I've been running it for almost a year now.
If you are worried about blowing up...Don't!
If you get a conservative tune, you have nothing to worry about. Even if it fails, (which is highly unlikely), your ecu will compensate by pulling timing (most stand alone EMS's have a knock/timing feature too).
When you feel the loss of power, get off the gas, (just like you should whenever you feel anything funny under boost. Don't try to "dive thru" anything).
Even if you get an aggressive tune, (leaned out afr and advanced timing), to take full advantage of the injection, you'll still have time to react.
It's not like the injection stops and instant "blow-up".
Just like everything else, these systems require to be maintained. Every oil change, (3000 miles), I clean out my water filter and check the injector out. I also have a a low fluid indicator light, pump on light and clogged injector light.
I use a coolingmist system, which isn't progressive. (They are coming out with a progressive controller soon, which is supposed to be the best out there.)
I think you have a higher chance of losing a fuel injector than having an alcohol injection kit fail, (simple design).
I don't personnaly have experience with the SMC progressive controller, but I think all the above applies.
I run a 50/50 mix of methanol/H2O, have my fuel leaned out to 11.5:1 and timing advanced, I run 91 octane and push 28 psi daily. My resevior lasts 3-4 tanks of fuel and costs $3.75 to fill up.
This is the BEST mod you can do for a turbo vehicle....PERIOD!
Originally Posted by bishiboy
standard intercooler (2003) spray tank, 1.5gals.
a std 5 lap for me is like ~12-15 mins and for the amount of meth injected .. I find that tank is not enough
.. you sure there's 1.5gal in there ?? felt like less than 1gal to metake a guess what I use
the Evo's rival really have certain things thought out
it has a 3gal tank that can last me about 3-4 races before topping up
and I spray about 320-350cc .. so that equates to about 1gal or more per race
Originally Posted by bishiboy
I've seen a few posts where guys are bad mouthing alcohol injection.
Here's my opinion, and I've been running it for almost a year now.
If you are worried about blowing up...Don't!
If you get a conservative tune, you have nothing to worry about. Even if it fails, (which is highly unlikely), your ecu will compensate by pulling timing (most stand alone EMS's have a knock/timing feature too).
When you feel the loss of power, get off the gas, (just like you should whenever you feel anything funny under boost. Don't try to "dive thru" anything).
Even if you get an aggressive tune, (leaned out afr and advanced timing), to take full advantage of the injection, you'll still have time to react.
It's not like the injection stops and instant "blow-up".
Just like everything else, these systems require to be maintained. Every oil change, (3000 miles), I clean out my water filter and check the injector out. I also have a a low fluid indicator light, pump on light and clogged injector light.
I use a coolingmist system, which isn't progressive. (They are coming out with a progressive controller soon, which is supposed to be the best out there.)
I think you have a higher chance of losing a fuel injector than having an alcohol injection kit fail, (simple design).
I don't personnaly have experience with the SMC progressive controller, but I think all the above applies.
I run a 50/50 mix of methanol/H2O, have my fuel leaned out to 11.5:1 and timing advanced, I run 91 octane and push 28 psi daily. My resevior lasts 3-4 tanks of fuel and costs $3.75 to fill up.
This is the BEST mod you can do for a turbo vehicle....PERIOD!
Here's my opinion, and I've been running it for almost a year now.
If you are worried about blowing up...Don't!
If you get a conservative tune, you have nothing to worry about. Even if it fails, (which is highly unlikely), your ecu will compensate by pulling timing (most stand alone EMS's have a knock/timing feature too).
When you feel the loss of power, get off the gas, (just like you should whenever you feel anything funny under boost. Don't try to "dive thru" anything).
Even if you get an aggressive tune, (leaned out afr and advanced timing), to take full advantage of the injection, you'll still have time to react.
It's not like the injection stops and instant "blow-up".
Just like everything else, these systems require to be maintained. Every oil change, (3000 miles), I clean out my water filter and check the injector out. I also have a a low fluid indicator light, pump on light and clogged injector light.
I use a coolingmist system, which isn't progressive. (They are coming out with a progressive controller soon, which is supposed to be the best out there.)
I think you have a higher chance of losing a fuel injector than having an alcohol injection kit fail, (simple design).
I don't personnaly have experience with the SMC progressive controller, but I think all the above applies.
I run a 50/50 mix of methanol/H2O, have my fuel leaned out to 11.5:1 and timing advanced, I run 91 octane and push 28 psi daily. My resevior lasts 3-4 tanks of fuel and costs $3.75 to fill up.
This is the BEST mod you can do for a turbo vehicle....PERIOD!
When my kit failed, it literally took about a blink of a eye to detonate and crack a piston and yes I immediatly let off the gas.
Detonation doesnt need to time to destroy a motor, your motor could be toast way before you even realize it, especially at high boost...
But Im glad to hear your kit has worked for you for over a year, unfortunatly not for all...
I used to use a greddy e-01 and my wideband to help with this. The boost would stay high if the o2 readings were right, but the second the o2 went lean the e01 would cut the groud signal to the boost controler and it would drop to 11psi. Was a spendy setup but worked flawless. but this was on my sr20det, im still debating on what to do with my evo.
Those injection kits should never be sold w/o some sort of safety device built in! This is just plain irresponsible on the kit maker 
Originally Posted by statix
You have obviously never experienced a faulty kit then, because most of what your saying is false.
When my kit failed, it literally took about a blink of a eye to detonate and crack a piston and yes I immediatly let off the gas.
Detonation doesnt need to time to destroy a motor, your motor could be toast way before you even realize it, especially at high boost...
But Im glad to hear your kit has worked for you for over a year, unfortunatly not for all...
When my kit failed, it literally took about a blink of a eye to detonate and crack a piston and yes I immediatly let off the gas.
Detonation doesnt need to time to destroy a motor, your motor could be toast way before you even realize it, especially at high boost...
But Im glad to hear your kit has worked for you for over a year, unfortunatly not for all...