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Old Aug 2, 2007 | 08:35 PM
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 08:15 AM
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For the record after Verison 2 is the best diagram to follow. Verison 1 doesnt cover all fail safe areas and the last Verison wont work because the pressure switch will correct the new pressure from the restriction (clogged nozzle) to what its rated @.

If you have any question or concern feel free to pm me or just post in the thread.

TTP no hard feelings man, I might be in Central FL soon like to see your shop

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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 10:51 PM
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All of these diagrams suck. Zeitronix is the answer for untimate AFR and EGT protection.

Again, turning off the meth system pump when a problem arises is a stupid idea.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
Again, turning off the meth system pump when a problem arises is a stupid idea.
I believe we already covered this 2 weeks ago. See solution here.

Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
All of these diagrams suck. Zeitronix is the answer for untimate AFR and EGT protection.
No need to be a dick. Again we got the point across to bnice01 that cutting power to the pump was pointless some time ago.

I'm also very happy to hear that Zeitronix is there to serve and protect the AFR and EGT. Didn't know they needed it.
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
All of these diagrams suck. Zeitronix is the answer for untimate AFR and EGT protection.

Again, turning off the meth system pump when a problem arises is a stupid idea.
Damn, I am just Wow'ed about your comment. I'll just be the bigger man, you dont have to post in here, and take your negative comment some place else. I apologize for being rude and then you say this thanks . Diagrams may suck because I used microsoft paint but it works. Well spoken from a vender

also Mr. TTP slowcar pointed out that the pump pressure switch will still try to maintain the pressure its rated at when a restriction acures. so the HFS wont pick it up but I have been running w/i for about 3yrs havnt got a clogged nozzle as of yet (knock on wood). ENJOY your freedom

thanks Hmanevo

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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by HmanEVO
I believe we already covered this 2 weeks ago. See solution here.



No need to be a dick. Again we got the point across to bnice01 that cutting power to the pump was pointless some time ago.

I'm also very happy to hear that Zeitronix is there to serve and protect the AFR and EGT. Didn't know they needed it.
The AFR and EGT coverage is there to protect the engine. If your rebuttal is to pick apart the sentence and not the technical aspects of the lacking "failsafe" as you call it, it means that you identify that there is no technical response you have to use so you have resorted to adolescent reponses.

With Hman and bnice01's brilliant failsafe:

Meth jet clog = blown engine
Crimped line post pressure sensor= blown engine
Lean AFR (failing walbro, improper mapping, FPR vac line lost)= blown engine
High EGT= melted pistons - blown engine


SlowCar (Abner) RUNS A ZEITRONIX SYSTEM FOR A REASON. He purchased it from TTP to protect against failures an inferior system like yours demonstrates.

The ZEITRONIX ZAVT will protect ALL OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED CONDITIONS WHERE YOURS WILL NOT.


Thank you for using SlowCar as an example.

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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
The AFR and EGT coverage is there to protect the engine. If your rebuttal is to pick apart the sentence and not the technical aspects of the lacking "failsafe" as you call it, it means that you identify that there is no technical response you have to use so you have resorted to adolescent reponses.

With Hman and bnice01's brilliant failsafe:

Meth jet clog = blown engine
Crimped line post pressure sensor= blown engine
Lean AFR (failing walbro, improper mapping, FPR vac line lost)= blown engine
High EGT= melted pistons - blown engine


SlowCar (Abner) RUNS A ZEITRONIX SYSTEM FOR A REASON. He purchased it from TTP to protect against failures an inferior system like yours demonstrates.

The ZEITRONIX ZAVT will protect ALL OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED CONDITIONS WHERE YOURS WILL NOT.


Thank you for using SlowCar as an example.
I had to buy 2 zeitronix zt-2.............
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 09:03 AM
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New signature below:

6 injectors, 3 fuel tanks, 2 fuel pumps and 2 Zeitronix ZT2's.
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 09:12 AM
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Zeitronix is definitelythe way to go.
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 09:20 AM
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your so kind TTP, I guess I can throw away my wideband and exhaust guage even though they beep if things get too high.

Again this is MY THREAD, take your comments some place else man seriously grow up. TTP way to represent of being a great vendor, sure love the support

Enjoy your freedom man

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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
Clogged nozzle has never happened to anyone I have ever known in the years of methanol injection experience we have. It is all but a myth.

Wow didnt someone say this
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
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6 injectors, 3 fuel tanks, 2 fuel pumps and 2 Zeitronix ZT2's.
i gave the other one away

6 injectors, 3 fuel tanks, 2 fuel pumps, 1 zeitronix ZT2 and 1 aquamist dds3.......the list keeps growing and my bank is shrinking
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
The AFR and EGT coverage is there to protect the engine. If your rebuttal is to pick apart the sentence and not the technical aspects of the lacking "failsafe" as you call it, it means that you identify that there is no technical response you have to use so you have resorted to adolescent reponses.

With Hman and bnice01's brilliant failsafe:

Meth jet clog = blown engine
Crimped line post pressure sensor= blown engine
Lean AFR (failing walbro, improper mapping, FPR vac line lost)= blown engine
High EGT= melted pistons - blown engine


SlowCar (Abner) RUNS A ZEITRONIX SYSTEM FOR A REASON. He purchased it from TTP to protect against failures an inferior system like yours demonstrates.

The ZEITRONIX ZAVT will protect ALL OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED CONDITIONS WHERE YOURS WILL NOT.


Thank you for using SlowCar as an example.
Ok lets break down what TTP said, since he is such a kind hearted guy

-clogged nozzle= myth
-crimped lines= well the lines are plastic so its going to form a hole so low pressure will pick it up
-lean a/f= oh wait that were my exhaust gauge and wideband warn me or I can look to my left to see them. now your naming fuel failure this a W/I THREAD . again gauges FTW (i dont know people who tune cars without a wideband so YEAH) improper mapping LOL you should check out my timing table with how much knock i have. NO JUNIOR tuner here
-high exhaust temp= lean a/f are about the same so you said that twice. yep there is that gauge thing again, sorry bud no blown engine here

So bascially all your point are just pointless
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
The AFR and EGT coverage is there to protect the engine. If your rebuttal is to pick apart the sentence and not the technical aspects of the lacking "failsafe" as you call it, it means that you identify that there is no technical response you have to use so you have resorted to adolescent reponses.
It's obvious you came back to this thread to be an *** and plug your glorious Zeitronix unit so I shot back. That was the point of my "adolescent"(if you say so) response.

Your response was not informative in the least. You bring up the pump killing circuit on bnice01's diagram being a stupid idea when we've already come to that conclusion and he removed it from his failsafe some time ago. Then you just blurt out Zeitronix is the ultimate in protection without pointing out why.

No one ever said the Zeitronix unit wasn't a great tuning tool/failsafe. The point of this thread was to discuss Bnice01's diy failsafe.

Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
With Hman and bnice01's brilliant failsafe:

Meth jet clog = blown engine
Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
Clogged nozzle has never happened to anyone I have ever known in the years of methanol injection experience we have. It is all but a myth.
So is it a myth or....?

Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
With Hman and bnice01's brilliant failsafe:

Crimped line post pressure sensor= blown engine
If you read my response to Bnice01 on the 3rd page, also posted a link above, you'll see that if the pressure sensor doesn't see pressure at the nozzle, then it won't trigger the boost solenoid for high boost and will remain at wastegate pressure.

Again no one ever said Bnice01's failsafe was "brilliant" or better than any other failsafe on the market, but it works for his needs.

If when you say "Hman's failsafe", you're referring to the other thread I started, that was merely for discussion and the downfalls of that system were pointed out in that thread already.

Originally Posted by TTP Engineering

SlowCar (Abner) RUNS A ZEITRONIX SYSTEM FOR A REASON. He purchased it from TTP to protect against failures an inferior system like yours demonstrates.

The ZEITRONIX ZAVT will protect ALL OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED CONDITIONS WHERE YOURS WILL NOT.
Sorry but we were discussing a failsafe for an alky injection system failure, not all of the aforementioned scenarios. Yes you are correct, this failsafe will not detect fuel pump failure, high egt's, fpr vac hose coming off, or anything else not tied into the ALKY INJECTION SYSTEM.
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 09:37 AM
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HMAN for PRESIDENT

yeah i never install the HFS, I just wanted feedback before doing since I didnt feel to confortable to doing it. Plus I was in tampa @ the time going to some theme parks

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