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Ok lets break down what TTP said, since he is such a kind hearted guy
-clogged nozzle= myth
-crimped lines= well the lines are plastic so its going to form a hole so low pressure will pick it up
-lean a/f= oh wait that were my exhaust gauge and wideband warn me or I can look to my left to see them. now your naming fuel failure this a W/I THREAD
. again gauges FTW (i dont know people who tune cars without a wideband so YEAH) improper mapping LOL you should check out my timing table with how much knock i have. NO JUNIOR tuner here
-high exhaust temp= lean a/f are about the same so you said that twice. yep there is that gauge thing again, sorry bud no blown engine here
So bascially all your point are just pointless
-clogged nozzle= myth
-crimped lines= well the lines are plastic so its going to form a hole so low pressure will pick it up
-lean a/f= oh wait that were my exhaust gauge and wideband warn me or I can look to my left to see them. now your naming fuel failure this a W/I THREAD
. again gauges FTW (i dont know people who tune cars without a wideband so YEAH) improper mapping LOL you should check out my timing table with how much knock i have. NO JUNIOR tuner here-high exhaust temp= lean a/f are about the same so you said that twice. yep there is that gauge thing again, sorry bud no blown engine here
So bascially all your point are just pointless
The lines are thermoplastic and one of the most common failures is a crimp in the lines. It happens and not only will it destroy an engine, it will also destroy the pump that tries to pump fluid against a crimp.
It is a ridiculous notion to think that a user is going to be watching an AFR gauge and EGT as they are running a 10 or 11 second pass down the racetrack while focusing on shifting and launching. Not going to happen.
Any active system requiring responsibility of the user is a poor system.
The ZEITRONIX ZAVT responds exactly as programmed and triggers the boost cut in milliseconds.
Even if the only time one drove their car was on the dyno, the ZAVT and ZEITRONIX would 100 out of 100 times trigger the failsafe boost cut much faster than a human and this is the difference between saving an engine and detonating it into spun bearings.
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Clogged nozzle has not happened to myself or anyone I have known.
I thought so
The lines are thermoplastic and one of the most common failures is a crimp in the lines. It happens and not only will it destroy an engine, it will also destroy the pump that tries to pump fluid against a crimp.
If the pump fails that good, I have a water solenoid so it will still open up. No pump no fluid low pressure
It is a ridiculous notion to think that a user is going to be watching an AFR gauge and EGT as they are running a 10 or 11 second pass down the racetrack while focusing on shifting and launching. Not going to happen.
I never said stare, more of a glance you act you never look once or twice. I mean I know technology is great but your gut will tell you something your going to look. Again my gauges beep
Any active system requiring responsibility of the user is a poor system.
How is it depending on me, you have a long road ahead of you. your zeitronix is man made it will fail one day, its life is not forever GROW UP
The ZEITRONIX ZAVT responds exactly as programmed and triggers the boost cut in milliseconds.
Ok if your trying to "promote" your product then take it else where man Hey genious its a boost solenoid all of them flip over that fast
Even if the only time one drove their car was on the dyno, the ZAVT and ZEITRONIX would 100 out of 100 times trigger the failsafe boost cut much faster than a human and this is the difference between saving an engine and detonating it into spun bearings.
Again promote in your own section brotha
I thought so
The lines are thermoplastic and one of the most common failures is a crimp in the lines. It happens and not only will it destroy an engine, it will also destroy the pump that tries to pump fluid against a crimp.
If the pump fails that good, I have a water solenoid so it will still open up. No pump no fluid low pressure
It is a ridiculous notion to think that a user is going to be watching an AFR gauge and EGT as they are running a 10 or 11 second pass down the racetrack while focusing on shifting and launching. Not going to happen.
I never said stare, more of a glance you act you never look once or twice. I mean I know technology is great but your gut will tell you something your going to look. Again my gauges beep
Any active system requiring responsibility of the user is a poor system.
How is it depending on me, you have a long road ahead of you. your zeitronix is man made it will fail one day, its life is not forever GROW UP
The ZEITRONIX ZAVT responds exactly as programmed and triggers the boost cut in milliseconds.
Ok if your trying to "promote" your product then take it else where man
Hey genious its a boost solenoid all of them flip over that fastEven if the only time one drove their car was on the dyno, the ZAVT and ZEITRONIX would 100 out of 100 times trigger the failsafe boost cut much faster than a human and this is the difference between saving an engine and detonating it into spun bearings.
Again promote in your own section brotha
. To be honest with I think the wideband fail safe is great idea but its not new. I mean I was trying to do it last year with my NGK wideband but never got around to figuring it. Tell me this why are you promoting your product here in my thread sir?TTP if you have such a problem with my design or me, do it the professional way PM ME. Its not that hard, you are WAY
. This not "this is better" or "that is worse" comparison thread. Just a simple DIY fail safe, there still a few people out there that have fun with making there own things. If it works for the great, if not well life is a learning lesson.
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Ok so back on topic, I know its not the "best" out there but it works pretty well. Been using it for almost a year now (verison 2) and it has saved my *** a few times.
I wanted to take a moment to apologize if my posting style has offended you. Sometime I choose my verbiage quickly and when I go back and read it, it sounds harsh.
Part of my frustration and SlowCar's alike is that we have tested many meth injection systems over and over again. Experienced all of the failures commonly associated with injectible fueling systems.
After experiencing many kit manufacturer's systems and failures, I systematically changed and modified parts to make the system as reliable as possible. Even the most reliable systems WILL experience component failure, whether in pumps or hardware at some point. Its not IF, its WHEN.
Through much experience, I have thought up 95+% of any failure a system could experience and developed countermeasures to thwart engine failure.
Zeitronix is not made by TTP. Zeitronix is not owned by TTP. TTP-Engineering has merely used one of the best wideband AFR meters in the marketplace along with other parts to make the most bulletproof system available to guard against meth system failure related engine woes.
Through years of experience and now systems implemented on customer cars, we can proudly say that none of our meth injected cars have even experienced engine failure with our meth kit and failsafes. Boy have there been issues, most commonly the end user running the system dry without refilling the tank. It has saved users countless times with lean AFR ang high EGT protections.
The ZEITRONIX product is relevant to the thread as in the end, it was a DIY project that I made using zeitronix parts. Coordination with ZEITRONIX directly helped me to get the safeguard parameters to work correctly with the system to actually get the failsafes to work. At this time, there is little that can be done to the meth system that will not trigger the failsafe in a dangerous situation.
Meth injection is no joke and anyone wanting to take the step to responsible usage needs to be prepared. This level of modification is very serious business and is NOT the place to skimp out on failsafes with a simple pressure sensor or a paddle wheel flow sensor alone like the safeinjection product that is another system that offers a false sense of security.
If there was one piece of advice to offer any prospective meth injection user, it would be to put in place the safeguard systems much like the zeitronix. Don't skimp out on them. The safeguard planning is more important than the meth system itself because what good is a meth injection system if it is connected to an engine with holes in each side of the block.
Part of my frustration and SlowCar's alike is that we have tested many meth injection systems over and over again. Experienced all of the failures commonly associated with injectible fueling systems.
After experiencing many kit manufacturer's systems and failures, I systematically changed and modified parts to make the system as reliable as possible. Even the most reliable systems WILL experience component failure, whether in pumps or hardware at some point. Its not IF, its WHEN.
Through much experience, I have thought up 95+% of any failure a system could experience and developed countermeasures to thwart engine failure.
Zeitronix is not made by TTP. Zeitronix is not owned by TTP. TTP-Engineering has merely used one of the best wideband AFR meters in the marketplace along with other parts to make the most bulletproof system available to guard against meth system failure related engine woes.
Through years of experience and now systems implemented on customer cars, we can proudly say that none of our meth injected cars have even experienced engine failure with our meth kit and failsafes. Boy have there been issues, most commonly the end user running the system dry without refilling the tank. It has saved users countless times with lean AFR ang high EGT protections.
The ZEITRONIX product is relevant to the thread as in the end, it was a DIY project that I made using zeitronix parts. Coordination with ZEITRONIX directly helped me to get the safeguard parameters to work correctly with the system to actually get the failsafes to work. At this time, there is little that can be done to the meth system that will not trigger the failsafe in a dangerous situation.
Meth injection is no joke and anyone wanting to take the step to responsible usage needs to be prepared. This level of modification is very serious business and is NOT the place to skimp out on failsafes with a simple pressure sensor or a paddle wheel flow sensor alone like the safeinjection product that is another system that offers a false sense of security.
If there was one piece of advice to offer any prospective meth injection user, it would be to put in place the safeguard systems much like the zeitronix. Don't skimp out on them. The safeguard planning is more important than the meth system itself because what good is a meth injection system if it is connected to an engine with holes in each side of the block.
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OOOOK is this the same person, still sounds like a commerical but ok I guess 
. are you trying to sell me a wideband w/ a failsafe 
. are you trying to sell me a wideband w/ a failsafe
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