Yea I know the stuff we have a cenex near by and I used it for a while it will take out the knock sensor but I also noticed that on hotter days it seemed to have flattened out on me. Then I paid the big bucks for a mix of Trick 101 and Shell 92 to get about 94-95 octane I swear I noticed a difference. Read that article from the link in the prior posting it explains the whole thing that MTBE and ethanol have less energy per charge blah blah the whole thing its simple science of chemical reactions. Good read for Turbo car owners. Low octane is a Turbo cars worse enemy won't matter what mods you have if you run **** water!

 

Can anyone get one of these? Are they legal?

 

Well the easiest way to go is call a good paint store they sell 5 gal drums of toulene and xylene, or if you have a Business license you can go to the chemical distributer and go for a 55 gal its alot cheaper per gallon. you may be able to get it as an individual but they will question you alot and may not give it to you because it is used to make crystal meth so you will have the Sheriffs dept. paying you a visite shortly after your delivery. Another thing is I have a detached garage with no potential of sparks from heaters etc... the stuff is a flamable chemical. Cenex 94 is the next best thing to toulene,xylene or unleaded race fuel unless your in the east coast and have Sunoco 94 lucky bastards.

 

How do you know?

 

The rep at the chemical distributor screened me by asking alot of questions. I told him the truth about the usage I embelished a bit about alot of off raod use etc... then he told me he had to ask because they report large amounts sold to the Sheriffs department and if it looks suspicious they check it out. Don't worry about though it is legal to have and its not like you will use it illegally I am just passing on as much information about this that I know, knowledge is power use it wisely;-)

 

David,

To get back on topic, what would happen with the 93 octane map if 91 octane was put in? Bad things, or no? I'm just wondering what would happen if I went on a road trip and couldn't find 93.

Thanks,

-n.

 

A car optimized for 93 octane can be safely run on 91 when required, but would not be making its full power potential and should not be driven as aggressively (occasional romps on the freeway should be fine, but it would not be a good idea to run it for hours on end at the local road course with 91 fuel in the tank).

-- DavidV

 

How about posting a dyno run with 91 in the tank and the 93 map in the ECU.

 

David -

Would there be any problems if later I add a boost controler? would this have any ill effects on the upper rpms?

also, I noticed that RMR has a reflash that changes boost level, is this something that you guys may offer in the future as well?

 

i agree

 

Interesting note:
if you overlay the 91 & 93 graphs, the stock 93 puts out the more or less the same tq/hp as the chipped 91. I sucks that you cali guys have to pay $450 just to run the same as the rest of the country

 

I will be running an HKS EVC with the 93 octane map by the end of this week (by July 3?) so I'll let you know how it works out ... just be sure to pm me to remind me about this if you are interested. Also, it shouldn't be a problem since it is basically the same as running stock with a boost controller -- works chose not to toy much (if at all) with the stock boost settings. I presume, however, that I won't have to crank boost quite as much due to more aggressive settings, and the fact that it is leaned out a bit.

If you haven't heard, RMR is also dealing with discrepancies in regard to these changes to boost level ... they recently had to hault production until this is resolved. Ehhhh .... I think I'll stick with my boost controller thank u very much.

 

Hey David,

Looks like more and more people are going to go this route... https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...980#post331980

It's is a safe bet that Works has run the Reflash with increased boost for testing purposes... Now would be a good time to post that it can, or can not be done while retaining safe air fuel ratios... Your customers want to know!

Ps I'll call you tommorrow regaurding the last email I sent you.

 

what about us oddballs with 92 octane? should we get a 91 reflash or a 93 reflash?

 

i would say get 91 to be safe. I got 92 octane too and i was looking into this reflash too. If i got the 91 octane reflash and then happend to find some 93/94 octane, would i feel gains like i would if it were a stock car even with the 91 octane map, or does the reflash cancel out that stock safety measure?