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Old Jul 28, 2003 | 04:30 PM
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New WORKS Product -- Custom Rev Limit Flash

For those of you looking for a higher rev limit and nothing else, WORKS has the answer.

You name the rev limit, WORKS flashes for it.*

Price: $349

*Past 7850 rpm, use at your own risk (WORKS expressly disclaims liability).

-- DavidV
Old Jul 31, 2003 | 08:19 PM
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David,
I've been looking at your products and they seem really cool...I'll be moving over from a Subaru to a Evo sometime soon. A few questions though.

As far as raising the rev limiter to 7850, how was it determined that every production Evo can reliably run up to 7850? How will this affect engine and powertrain longevity? Also, does the built-in computer have a way to show what the highest RPM recorded was? I know Honda's ECUs record this data. If a dealership sees a car has hit such a high RPM, they're certain to realize something's amiss. Big point is that I really don't want to be told by a Mitsubishi Motors district manager that I've voided part of my factory warranty due to a determination that your product caused powertrain failure. Even if this wasn't the real cause of failure, they'd have a good case to void powertrain coverage with a higher-than-factory-spec peak-RPM recorded on the ECU's memory.

I'm really interested in The Brain, and your dyno results seem quite impressive, but again, I'm coming from a Subaru, whose parent company will void warranties at the drop of the hat, and who seems to have a total lack of regard for the Magnuson-Moss Act. Pardon my paranoia.

I'd like reliable power. If I can get the Evo to the 310-320HP range with your product reliably, and you stand behind your product and any evidence you have which prove that the stock internals and powertrain in general can handle the added revs and power that your product (The Brain in particular) provides, I'm all for it.

Another question....out of sheer curiousity, what is the top speed of the Evo increased to? I've read that 155MPh was the red-line limited speed, thus adding onto the red line should be good for a few more MPh, yes?

Thanks for your time.

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Old Aug 1, 2003 | 06:19 AM
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good questions
Old Aug 1, 2003 | 07:58 AM
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Why would one want the rev limiter higher?
Old Aug 1, 2003 | 08:08 AM
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I would like to hear an answer to this also!!!!

Very good question.

Anything David?
Old Aug 1, 2003 | 03:26 PM
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I can answer this.....After having just gotten my ECU reflashed it's simple....The car is still making power up there. It is awesome. It keeps pulling well past where a stock EVO would. I highly recommend this upgrade for those that road race because it extends the shift points and keeps the car in the power longer. With the short gearing it also makes the car a lot more fin to drive. Best $450 I have spent on any of my cars which includes 2 Mustang Cobra's and a WRX (all modded).

I am very pleased with the results. Thanks Dave, it was a pleasure.

BTW, for those intersted. My EGT's are no higher, maybe even a bit lower then before. That did surprise me.

Mike
Old Aug 1, 2003 | 06:28 PM
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Thanks, but you've answered none of my questions. Did you even read my post?

David? Anything?
Old Aug 1, 2003 | 07:40 PM
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Sorry SabreLion,

Actually I wasn't trying to answer your question. I was attempting to answer mrdecibel's question. I will let David respond to you as I am not qualified to answer yours. I guess my enthusiasm for the product made me jump the gun. It really did make it a much more fun car to drive.

Mike
Old Aug 1, 2003 | 08:21 PM
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Like david said use at your own risk!
Old Aug 1, 2003 | 08:34 PM
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Use at your own risk if you have a rev limit pass 7850 RPM. That is how I understand it.
Old Aug 1, 2003 | 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by EvoHopeful
Like david said use at your own risk!
Read and comprehend my post, please.

David said that with a rev limit past 7850, you're on your own. That being said, please reread my post.

Thanks.
Old Aug 1, 2003 | 09:02 PM
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Sorry SabreLion,

Actually I wasn't trying to answer your question. I was attempting to answer mrdecibel's question. I will let David respond to you as I am not qualified to answer yours. I guess my enthusiasm for the product made me jump the gun. It really did make it a much more fun car to drive.

Mike
Oh, I don't doubt it, which is why I'd love to put one in my new car if David can get me some answers.

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Old Aug 18, 2003 | 12:45 PM
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I think I've given a sufficient amount of time...David...could I please get some answers?
Old Aug 18, 2003 | 12:47 PM
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David is not going to be available to answer these posts.

Calling WORKS and asking for Tom is your best bet @ this point.
Old Aug 18, 2003 | 12:56 PM
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I think I've given a sufficient amount of time...David...could I please get some answers?
Sorry for the late response, SabreLion, I thought you might have already seen my response to this elsewhere in the forum. For the record, here it is.

(1) The Mitsubishi techs cannot detect the WORKS Brain flash, including the changed rev limit, with any diagnostic tools.

(2) We do not, at present, offer a stock rev limit Brain flash. However, should the need arise, we can flash your ECU back to 100% bone stock.

My further response from this thread is reprinted below:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ghlight=detect

"We have already run the Mitsubishi scan tool on the Brain flash and were unable to detect the reflash. Also, factory diagnostic codes are still accessible to the technicians, just as they were before the flash programming. ... The Mitsubishi techs cannot at present scan for the Brain flash -- even with the higher rev limit. The scan tools available to dealer techs change on a regular basis. At present, they cannot detect the change.... .

The Mitsubishi techs can, of course, drive the car and notice that the rev limit has been increased. The chances of this happening are slim to none during routine service "test drives." If it ever came up, the Mitsubishi tech would have a lot of explaining to do as to why they were bouncing a customer's car off the rev limiter.

In addition, under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, which SEMA lobbied for and passed (www.sema.org) , it would be illegal for Mitsubishi to log and void the powertrain warranty on the car as described. The Act states, in essence, that if an aftermarket part causes the failure of an OEM part, that repair will not be covered by the warranty and the dealer may elect to void that portion of the warranty coverage. So... it is not enough to modify the car (raise the rev limit) -- the modification (Brain flash) needs to itself directly lead to the failure of an OEM part for which warranty coverage is sought in order to even become an issue.

Please feel free to read up on the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act:

"“No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumers using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade or corporate name....” (15 U.S.C. 2302(C))."

-- DavidV



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