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With a good drop-in filter (K&N, HKS, etc) it will lean out about .5-.7 or so.
I dyno tested a HKS drop-in filter last week and it gained 20whp/15wtq just dropping it in.
An AEM intake with the whole upgraded intake tube and MAF housing will lean the car out over 1 full AFR point.
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these X's are pretty damn amazing when you look at how well they respond to some basic bolt on, a good part of that is likely due to it leaning out a bit like you mentioned. The good news is that the stock ignition is likely pretty damn good considering it can cut through fuel in the 9's at 20psi + from the factory.
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these X's are pretty damn amazing when you look at how well they respond to some basic bolt on, a good part of that is likely due to it leaning out a bit like you mentioned. The good news is that the stock ignition is likely pretty damn good considering it can cut through fuel in the 9's at 20psi + from the factory.
Every single evo 10 that has been on the dyno running low 9's have bucked and tugged pulling through the rev range choking on it's own fuel. All goes away once the car is leaned out.
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I'd hate to ask this, but I figure i might aswell. Is the X running out of injector or pump on the high end. If the target AFR is say 9.2:1 at the cross section load (220) @ 7000rpm, and mods manage to lean it out to say, 11.3:1 at the same cross section, with the stock MAF housing does that mean the X is running out of fuel for the target AFR?
Also, I assume that you can higher the target AFR at lower RPMs if the above statement is true in order to try and attain an 11.3:1 AFR to try and smooth the powerband instead of just having ridiculous top end?
PS:Great work and diligance, razor!
Also, I assume that you can higher the target AFR at lower RPMs if the above statement is true in order to try and attain an 11.3:1 AFR to try and smooth the powerband instead of just having ridiculous top end?
PS:Great work and diligance, razor!
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I'd hate to ask this, but I figure i might aswell. Is the X running out of injector or pump on the high end. If the target AFR is say 9.2:1 at the cross section load (220) @ 7000rpm, and mods manage to lean it out to say, 11.3:1 at the same cross section, with the stock MAF housing does that mean the X is running out of fuel for the target AFR?
Also, I assume that you can higher the target AFR at lower RPMs if the above statement is true in order to try and attain an 11.3:1 AFR to try and smooth the powerband instead of just having ridiculous top end?
PS:Great work and diligance, razor!
Also, I assume that you can higher the target AFR at lower RPMs if the above statement is true in order to try and attain an 11.3:1 AFR to try and smooth the powerband instead of just having ridiculous top end?
PS:Great work and diligance, razor!
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From what I have seen from my own testing, the AFRs lean out due to lower load values after changing the intake. When you change your intake, the MAF incorrectly senses the amount of air and your ECU will calculate the loads lower than it is suppose to be. This in turn will lean out your AFR and increase your IGN timing by hitting lower load cells.
With the tuning, you are basing your maps on "correct" load values, of which MAF readings are part of the equation. If you put an aftermarket intake, which skews the MAF reading, what should be done? Is there a mechanism to "correct" the MAF readings so that they are accurate again? Or is it simply enough to simply shift all your adjustments to the lower load levels?
I hope that made sense, I'm tired.
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This may seem like a silly question, I certainly hope not but here goes anyway:
With the tuning, you are basing your maps on "correct" load values, of which MAF readings are part of the equation. If you put an aftermarket intake, which skews the MAF reading, what should be done? Is there a mechanism to "correct" the MAF readings so that they are accurate again? Or is it simply enough to simply shift all your adjustments to the lower load levels?
I hope that made sense, I'm tired.
With the tuning, you are basing your maps on "correct" load values, of which MAF readings are part of the equation. If you put an aftermarket intake, which skews the MAF reading, what should be done? Is there a mechanism to "correct" the MAF readings so that they are accurate again? Or is it simply enough to simply shift all your adjustments to the lower load levels?
I hope that made sense, I'm tired.
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You won't see sub-9's in the true AFR readings, it's only the way that EcuFlash shows the data to appear like an afr table. If you correlated a wideband to that table you'd see that what would appear to be in the 9's afr range would actually be closer to high 10's or so on a wideband. Keep that in mind when the program is released, you wouldn't want to set your tables to what you "think" they should sit at AFR-wise and end up with extremely lean conditions at high boost settings.
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I don't understand why it displays it as the AFR then. Does the load just not get to a high enough percentage relative to that graph to hit the 8:1 AFRs? Also I realize it won't be anywhere near the 8000rpm range either. This is the graph I have. I will be tuning once I have a wideband installed to make sure that I'm not going too lean/rich but am just confused why it wouldn't be right on the map I have. Based on the knock maps they peak at 240% load so is that peak load in actuality on the fuel map? That shows 8.8:1 AFR according to the map, does anyone know what the cars actual AFR is then at 7k rpm per a wideband if it's not right around 9:1? Thanks and sorry for all the questions. ~Trent
One thing you have to remember about the fuel map is that it does not display real AFR values. If you see the map reading 11.1:1, it will not be 11.1:1 on a wideband most of the time. In my case, if my map reads 11.1:1, it'll usually read around 10.5:1 on a wideband, the actual values are richer for me than what is represented on the map. This may not always be the same for everyone, it can vary due to mods, climate, elevation, etc. The only way to see your actual values are to hook up a wideband.
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I don't understand why it displays it as the AFR then. Does the load just not get to a high enough percentage relative to that graph to hit the 8:1 AFRs? Also I realize it won't be anywhere near the 8000rpm range either. This is the graph I have. I will be tuning once I have a wideband installed to make sure that I'm not going too lean/rich but am just confused why it wouldn't be right on the map I have. Based on the knock maps they peak at 240% load so is that peak load in actuality on the fuel map? That shows 8.8:1 AFR according to the map, does anyone know what the cars actual AFR is then at 7k rpm per a wideband if it's not right around 9:1? Thanks and sorry for all the questions. ~Trent
At any rate, there are many factors (e.g., engine temp, air temp, barometric pressure, VE, etc) that must be accounted for by the ECU program when converting an AFR value in a table into a fuel pulse width. Its very difficult for the ECU programmers to to get the actual AFR to match the table AFR over the full range of RPM and load. There's always some difference. That's why its imperative to tune using a WB O2 sensor.
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I think a lot of you will find some nice gains with the JDM MIVEC maps. You can find them here.
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/brjones5...%20Exhaust.jpg
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/brjones5...t%20Intake.jpg
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/brjones5...%20Exhaust.jpg
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/brjones5...t%20Intake.jpg