NOW THATS THE ****!!! actual pictures of a product...
what the retail on that... +/-?

 

thats whats i like to see.

 

Hey lucky for you guys that i'm reasonably poor, i probably won't be able to aford the headers but maybe i can reasonably afford a used downpipe...I'm ritch B*tch!

 

woot woot. but i wana turbo

 

Seriously message me if you want to make some money back from your down pipes.

 

I did not get the down pipe yet , it hasen't left RRM.

 

is this a long tube header. or short. it looks like a 4-2-1. either way i'll prolly just buy it.

 

On the one hand, this is sweet. I'm glad to see a set of headers on the brink of being ready for sale, and I'm glad to hear that some impressive performance gains appear to have been realized with this piece of hardware.

On the other hand however, I can't help but recall you guys about 18 months ago claiming that the stock header was so well designed that the performance gains weren't good enough to justify the high cost of a new header, which is why you only made the downpipe, since that's where our engines were being choked.

Can we get some clarification on why there are gains now when back then there wasn't? Different exaust setup? A new engineer with a creative design idea? New technology that wasn't available back then? Anything to make it look like this isn't a case of '***** envy', if you know what I mean.

 

Good job RRM. Can't wait to hear details.

 

I would think that they did not have the resources on hand nor the knowledge of the engine at the time they posted it would be hard to better the stock manifold. They have stated that the stock manifold is very efficient, which leads me to believe that this header, while showing good gains, won't be the make or break for a NA engine HP war.

I trust RRM and if they have decided to put there money into designing a header it is not because of "***** envy" as you say, it's because they can.

And while I am not trying to rip RPW or anything, I want them to do well in fact, they have shown us absolutely nothing. I don't even care if RRM takes another three or four months to develop this for resale, they have already shown us that they have at least one prototype for testing. Good enough for me to be happy with it. I can't wait for 100,000 miles!!!

 

well, i want a 4-1 race long tube header. RPW is almost done with that. that will yeild the most gains and provide better top end which is what the ralliart desperately needs.

if RRM makes this a long tube 4-1 header, i'll wait and compare dynos and prices. but if it's a 4-2-1, i'm sure it'll give good gains, but not what I'm looking for. i need more top end, not low end (which is what a 4-2-1 header would give).

in any event, i'm gonna wait now and compare dyno's and prices for sure. Great job RRM for stepping up and making another great product! you guys have definitely proven yourselves to be a great company devoted to the ralliart!!!!! ROCK ON!!!!

 

Well that's what I want to hear, just from them. I'm not trying to be a pessamist, and I'm certainly not trying to rail on RRM; the only aftermarket part I currently have installed is from them, and I have every intention of picking up the RRM pulley within the next couple of weeks. However, I've seen this kind of behavior before, and for me not to question it would be doing myself a disservice.

To use an extremely nerdy refrence, this header thing reminds me of something Sony Online Entertainment did with Everquest, where for the longest time players would cry about how unfair certain aspects of the game were, such as XP and level loss upon death, PVP class imbalance, inability to move characters to other servers, and so on. The programmers would simply respond with "it's to make the game balanced" or "it's prohibitively exensive for our programmers to root through all that code to fix one problem that effects a small minority of users." Then, Mythic Entertainment comes along and said they're going to make a game, Dark Age of Camelot, that promised to deliver all the fun and features that you get in EQ, but with no XP loss in death, balanced PVP classes, the ability to move characters to other servers, and everything else that the EQ programmers said they couldn't or wouldn't fix. Suddenly, the guys at EQ miraculously figured out how to make these changes so that it didn't affect game play, didn't cost much, didn't whatever. After sticking to their guns for 5 years about how they couldn't or wouldn't do things, they completely 180'd their stance at the first sign that they might lose their subscribers to a competing company; to put it nicely, they caved in like a bunch of pussies to subscriber demand and ruined the game for the casual player. Coincidentally, this is also the same time they stopped displaying server population.

Like I said in the previous post. I just want to know why it works now when it didn't before.

 

Prototype looks nice. How much more will it be over the DP?

 

Make it with a high flow cat, jet hot coat it and I'm in!

My guess on price: $250-300??

 

RPW just announced the header like a week ago? You telling me that RRM made a prototype and will be ready in about a month for production all in less than a week, just so they could match RPW? That time doesn't seem right to me.