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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 06_RALLI///ART
LSD id all good for straight runs....but if hes planning on tracking it its not the best direction to go
No way, a LSD would benefit the car in almost all situations. It bugs the hell out of me that the car doesn't have one when I autocross and drive on road courses.
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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 05:57 AM
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No way, a LSD would benefit the car in almost all situations. It bugs the hell out of me that the car doesn't have one when I autocross and drive on road courses.
dam.....beat me to it.

LSD.....it's not just for straight line driving.

What do you plan on doing with the car? Just a street car or do you plan on flogging it on a track?

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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 06:28 AM
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is everyone on here nuts? The stock open differential is better for cornering!
a fully locked axle can cause some problems. Think about a turn where the inside tire travels far less distance that the outside tire. If they remained locked solid, you'd have the inside wheel spinning far too quickly and losing traction. An open differential is used to allow the wheels to spin independently of each other. So the inside wheel can turn a little slower while the outside wheel spins a little faster. This helps to diminish a lot of tire wear with all that unnecessary spinning. I do agree that you would be able to accelerate quicker out of the corner, but for the loss of traction in the first half of the corner, IMO its not worth the $1000+...go get yourself some sway bars and coil overs and it will be way more effective...end of story..

dont get me wrong...LSD's are amazing if you are planning on going in a straight line...
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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 07:06 AM
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you are wrong and right at the same time : locked diffs sucks. but no one is suggesting that. limited slip is NOT a locked diff.

limited slip diffs cause the wheel that has the most grip to get the most power, thus keeping you on your line (and on the road) through a corner, where otherwise you'd be losing control of the car.
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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 06_RALLI///ART
is everyone on here nuts? The stock open differential is better for cornering!
a fully locked axle can cause some problems. Think about a turn where the inside tire travels far less distance that the outside tire. If they remained locked solid, you'd have the inside wheel spinning far too quickly and losing traction. An open differential is used to allow the wheels to spin independently of each other. So the inside wheel can turn a little slower while the outside wheel spins a little faster. This helps to diminish a lot of tire wear with all that unnecessary spinning. I do agree that you would be able to accelerate quicker out of the corner, but for the loss of traction in the first half of the corner, IMO its not worth the $1000+...go get yourself some sway bars and coil overs and it will be way more effective...end of story..

dont get me wrong...LSD's are amazing if you are planning on going in a straight line...
I know I'm nuts, but I think you misunderstand: Locked Diff does not equal LSD (Limited Slip Diff). They are completely different animals.
You are right, a fully locked diff does not make sense (think offroad trucks, rock climbing), but LSD is your friend for a road course.

http://www.howstuffworks.com/differe...tm?printable=1
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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 10:44 AM
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WTF? many 4g's to come? umm ditch the ralliart and get an evo.
simple as that.

how much can your insurance possibly go up?
refiance your pad and put it down on a X hahahahahahaha , evo insurnace is like making mortage payments on a car
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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 01:22 PM
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LSD will improve corning to an extent. When you push the car really hard it will actually bog the car (have done it before). RRM has a mechanical type which requires no maint. which is a good. Traction is key yes. Surprisingly our stock suspension can handle fairly decent if you know what to add without spending a bunch of money. Like upgrading the front strut tower brace, rear tie bar, and rear strut brace. Those alone will make a huge improvement to handling.
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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 01:28 PM
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The Teins and other coilovers are good but i wouldn't buy them for using on the streets. Alittle too stiff for my taste for the street but great for the track. I am pretty sure that the Mid pipe from RRM exhaust system can be used with the turbo kit which i am sure comes with the Downpipe. I am sure that someone who has installed RRM turbo can tell you what comes with it and if it might work. I don't know sorry. If you have any questions about NA products i can key you into a few more little things but what was posted earlier will have to largest gains.
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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 06_RALLI///ART
is everyone on here nuts? The stock open differential is better for cornering!
a fully locked axle can cause some problems. Think about a turn where the inside tire travels far less distance that the outside tire. If they remained locked solid, you'd have the inside wheel spinning far too quickly and losing traction. An open differential is used to allow the wheels to spin independently of each other. So the inside wheel can turn a little slower while the outside wheel spins a little faster. This helps to diminish a lot of tire wear with all that unnecessary spinning. I do agree that you would be able to accelerate quicker out of the corner, but for the loss of traction in the first half of the corner, IMO its not worth the $1000+...go get yourself some sway bars and coil overs and it will be way more effective...end of story..

dont get me wrong...LSD's are amazing if you are planning on going in a straight line...
Ok, all good info. I mainly plan on taking it on a real track, dabbling in a bit of dirt roads every now and then. I will take it to the drag every now and then just to check my 1/4 times but my main concern is handling ability. I dont want to trade my car in for an evo....i like evos but my car is paid off and i dont like having car payments. i would much rather stay ralliart! haha is there a way to put the LSD on a toggle switch? some of you are saying its good and some say its bad, but if its toggled you could do both right? have any of you heard of hook up the lsd like that? that being said, im definately doing the clutch work first with suspension upgrades and new wheels and tires.
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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 04:27 PM
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how much horse do you think you can get out of the 2.4l mivec engine sticking to N/A? i was doing a bit of research, and it seems like if im going to get a turbo down the road, there really is no point of upgrading the engine seeing how i would have to change a lot of it when i get the turbo.
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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bassnuker
Ok, all good info. I mainly plan on taking it on a real track, dabbling in a bit of dirt roads every now and then. I will take it to the drag every now and then just to check my 1/4 times but my main concern is handling ability. I dont want to trade my car in for an evo....i like evos but my car is paid off and i dont like having car payments. i would much rather stay ralliart! haha is there a way to put the LSD on a toggle switch? some of you are saying its good and some say its bad, but if its toggled you could do both right? have any of you heard of hook up the lsd like that? that being said, im definately doing the clutch work first with suspension upgrades and new wheels and tires.
A toggle switch isn't needed because, as Eclipse2Lancer said, we're not talking about a locker diff. A limited slip will, simply put, let itself slip when cornering, so the wheels can turn at different speeds, then lock back up when accelerating.
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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Puddles
i would do everything to the suspension and some wheels and tires then go kick some *** on some windy country roads!!
ok man check it....megan coilover kit, front H-Brace, Rear Lower tie, Rear anti-sway, Rear strut brace, LSD, Stage 3 clutch, Fly wheel and a Short shifter hows that for 4K well spent? This is what i am going to do for now, and then when i decide weather or not to stay N/A or go turbo i can do all the engine work at once. word up

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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 10:06 PM
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Remember the installation costs, you could do all that by yourself but good luck with the lsd. I would definately get that done proffessionally, even if you pull the tranny yourself.
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 07:57 AM
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has anyone who races given any reviews on the megan coilovers? For the cost, I'd probably pony up for the teins. but yea, expect to pay upwards towards $400 for the diff install. may as well have them put the clutch in, too, if you're paying them to pull it anyway.
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 08:04 AM
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For track purpose, best option as of right now are TEIN SS coilovers.... maybe will be able to get KW V3 soon tho
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