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Old Jul 25, 2013 | 07:36 AM
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It's getting rid of the modulator that gives it the "extra bite" feel so basically your wasting money thinking that a ss line would be the only thing giving you that feel.. I used the factory line I undid it from the modulator and bent it by hand to go to the CSC..

And to throw a monkey wrench into people's mind who say it might break this and that it's being mounted to the same spot from the factory if it would break because I replace the solid line down with another solid line than anyone's can break....

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Old Jul 25, 2013 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by RacerX-Ralliart
It's getting rid of the modulator that gives it the "extra bite" feel so basically your wasting money thinking that a ss line would be the only thing giving you that feel.. I used the factory line I undid it from the modulator and bent it by hand to go to the CSC..
that's true,
i was explaining that: there's a rubber line(with a piece of wire coiled around it helping prevent the rubber from swelling under high pressure and/or age) from the CMC to a piece of solid line on top of the trans case
that's attached to the modulator
thats attached to another piece of solid line
that's attached to the CSC...

so yes it IS a solid line from the factory...but only half of it - the half with the modulator in the middle...
so if you just remove the modulator and just relocate the OE lines, yes it'll be stiffer, but not as stiff if you replaced the WHOLE thing with a solid line or SS line under high pressure and specially after the rubber section starts to get soft and swell with pressure...

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And to throw a monkey wrench into people's mind who say it might break this and that it's being mounted to the same spot from the factory if it would break because I replace the solid line down with another solid line than anyone's can break....
im saying ONLY IF you replace the flexible line AND the solid line all the way from the firewall to the CSC with a solid line
that solid line MAY break eventually due to constant movement of the engine/trans...yes, the solid line will flex but, eventually it MAY fatigue the metal enough and create a leak
but not the SS line, because it flexes by design...just like the OE section of rubebr hose would(as designed)
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Old Jul 25, 2013 | 10:39 AM
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Yeah this part here .. But where are you getting higher pressure? The pressure stays the same.. There is no pump pumping the fluid pressure doesn't build or change pressure can drop because of a leak but I don't see pressure building in the line.. Those are high pressure hoses made not to swell.. If people want to spend the cash feel free I'm happy with my free mod
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Old Jul 25, 2013 | 08:33 PM
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So, some people like it, some are kind of on the fence. I was confused where the whole "it might break over time" comment came from, since I never replaced the entire line from top to bottom so I'm not to sure why that was even brought up. Oh well, thanks for looking out. No worries. I do plan on replacing the top part of the line as well and figuring out a way to allow for flex since the motor and trans does vibrate, slightly. I'm thinking if I add either a small coil in the line or maybe an S shape then that would allow the line to stretch back and forth. If i make it ill post it up as well. Thanks guys.
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Old Jul 26, 2013 | 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by RacerX-Ralliart
But where are you getting higher pressure? The pressure stays the same.. There is no pump pumping the fluid pressure doesn't build or change pressure can drop because of a leak but I don't see pressure building in the line.. Those are high pressure hoses made not to swell
when im saying high pressure i mean when the cluth is pressed...
i dont mean the kind of pressure that's going to explode a solid steel line...just the system pressure(which i can only assume is high pressure, not low pressure)
yes they're high pressure hoses...but over time they soften up, just like brake hoses...
ever seen a ballooned brake hose..?...there's no fluid pump there either, and they can swell under pressure when they get old..


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So, some people like it, some are kind of on the fence. I was confused where the whole "it might break over time" comment came from, since I never replaced the entire line from top to bottom so I'm not to sure why that was even brought up. Oh well, thanks for looking out. No worries. I do plan on replacing the top part of the line as well and figuring out a way to allow for flex since the motor and trans does vibrate, slightly. I'm thinking if I add either a small coil in the line or maybe an S shape then that would allow the line to stretch back and forth. If i make it ill post it up as well. Thanks guys.
maybe that would work..
my guess is the coil would work best vs the s shape...
either way good luck

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Old Jul 27, 2013 | 07:58 AM
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So after talking to some professionals they said that replacing that rubber line would increase pressure that the rubber line does flex over time but replacing the line with another rubber hose with ss over it would be a waste of money because it's going to have some flex as well they said the solid line would be best but would break from the engine moving back and forth even if coiled.. They said unless your building a rocket ship that rubber line is fine this coming from drag racers racing cars with 8000 horsepower
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Old Jul 30, 2013 | 07:23 PM
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Thanks Racerx, i spoke with my next door neighbor who retired from professional drag racing, both he and his wife, and almost every line they had was a steel line, never used rubber line for anything. The main point in replacing the line was to bypass the modulator and to do it without taking the guts out of the modulator. I now have an increase in clutch bite which is the whole reason behind my whole clutch line replacement, and i'm not sure if the line would break if i ran a coil in it. It would be enough to allow for minor vibration and movement, which is why plenty of vehicles come from the dealer with coiled lines by the brake cylinder, to allow vibrations. But i may have come up with an inline solution that allows for vibration. keep everyone posted.
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 05:08 AM
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i suppose you could find yourself a longer rubber hose that fits all the way from the cmc to the csc...(or at least from the end of the OE rubber section as you have now)

wouldn't be as solid as a steel line...but u'll never have to worry about breakage as with a steel one(and still no modulator)
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