possible 2.4 DOHC engine for lancer
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Nice find buddy!
I don't know if I should rejoice though... since it might also mean that Chrysler is getting the DOHC and we may not!
Nice way to treat your customers Mitsubishi... 
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Nice find buddy!
I don't know if I should rejoice though... since it might also mean that Chrysler is getting the DOHC and we may not!
Nice way to treat your customers Mitsubishi... -
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Dude, I was reading some articles at allpar.com and who knows where they get their info, but there was some wild stuff...
- They're killing the Neon, and replacing it with a new car based on the Lancer.
- Dodge EVO. (WTF?!?)
- The new engines are developed by Mitsu, Chrysler and Hyundai.
Freaky.
http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/rebel.html
- They're killing the Neon, and replacing it with a new car based on the Lancer.
- Dodge EVO. (WTF?!?)
- The new engines are developed by Mitsu, Chrysler and Hyundai.
Freaky.
http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/rebel.html
Last edited by GunstarHero; Aug 8, 2005 at 09:49 AM.
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The EVO will have a Dodge version, with extensive Chrysler involvement in engineering in the two door version. The four door will be primarily worked on by Mitsubishi engineers, though members of the Neon ACR team are helping them, thanks to their strong rally and SCCA success.
like the eclipse owners how said that tallon was "still an eagle" 
says chrystler will have a 2-door version of the evo, while mitsu will retain dibs on the 4door.
i also heard from a few srt4 owners that the neon is dead and that the new srt4 will be a reble. it seems that chrystler is planning on using the same engine in the base reble and the turbo reble, so that a dealer option is an add-on turbo kit. it also seems like the new DOHC MIVEC is the engine dodge is using (as well as hyundea).
however, each company will release slightly different version of each engine, but they should be pretty compatable.
about the joint-venture engine: http://www.allpar.com/mopar/world-engine.html
it looks like a strategic distribution move between the 3 companies. They will all manufacture similar engines different parts of the world. Then the same car, world wide, gets the 'almost same' engine, but the one build in the local market. IE: a jap ralliart gets the engine from japan, while a US ralliart gets an engine from michigan. but its still pretty much the same engine, just built in the chrystler plant.
VERY intersting! i guess we cant hate on the srt4 anymore, huh
says chrystler will have a 2-door version of the evo, while mitsu will retain dibs on the 4door.
i also heard from a few srt4 owners that the neon is dead and that the new srt4 will be a reble. it seems that chrystler is planning on using the same engine in the base reble and the turbo reble, so that a dealer option is an add-on turbo kit. it also seems like the new DOHC MIVEC is the engine dodge is using (as well as hyundea).
however, each company will release slightly different version of each engine, but they should be pretty compatable.
about the joint-venture engine: http://www.allpar.com/mopar/world-engine.html
The first of the "world engines" in the United States with key advanced technologies - variable valve timing and a flow-control valve intake manifold - will be sold by Chrysler. The engines were designed jointly by Chrysler, Mitsubishi, and Hyundai, and will be made and used by all three - in rather different configurations (Mitsubishi even has a three-cylinder variant!). Chrysler is using dual-variable-valve technology to control both intake and exhaust valves; Hyundai is using a different variable-valve package. The result of this, as well as different intakes and other packaging details, will probably result in different power outputs for each of the three companies using the same basic
engines.
engines.
The engines are designed to be turbocharged and supercharged, partly through over-engineering of the block, and use of large water jackets and metal areas around each siamesed cylinder.
The Dodge Rebel is being designed by Chrysler and Mitsubishi engineers. While both are working together on a common platform, the final cars will be different in character. In North America and Europe, the Chrysler version will reportedly be used, even when sold under the Mitsubishi name. In Asia, the Middle East, and South America, the Mitsubishi version will reportedly be used, even when sold under the Dodge name. The Dodge and Mitsuibshi versions will have unique interiors and exteriors and different suspension tuning when sold in the same market.
VERY intersting! i guess we cant hate on the srt4 anymore, huh
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Not "the" Evo, but their own bastardized version of it, probably called the "SRT-4.5" or something stupid like that.
I don't dislike Dodge or Chrysler, but at the same time, I'd feel better just knowing that Mitsu was maybe selling engines/designs to them, not that Chrysler was engineering for them.
I don't dislike Dodge or Chrysler, but at the same time, I'd feel better just knowing that Mitsu was maybe selling engines/designs to them, not that Chrysler was engineering for them.
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^^
Anyway, I still need to see and drive the Neon replacement before I decide it's a good car. Ford and GM are both selling european designed cars* in the local market nowadays... and they basically start with decently handling and well finished cars, but then design an "american style" suspension for them (so sh*tty rowboat-like handling) and put them into production in local plants. The result is a good car gone horribly bad... with cheap interior to boot.
So I challenge Dodge to come up with decent car (overall!) and then we'll talk about engines...
Yep, I bet it's still gonna just a Dodge in the end...
*: Ford Contour = Ford Mondeo, Chevrolet Malibu Maxx = Opel Astra or Vectra???... many other examples.
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Anyway, I still need to see and drive the Neon replacement before I decide it's a good car. Ford and GM are both selling european designed cars* in the local market nowadays... and they basically start with decently handling and well finished cars, but then design an "american style" suspension for them (so sh*tty rowboat-like handling) and put them into production in local plants. The result is a good car gone horribly bad... with cheap interior to boot.
So I challenge Dodge to come up with decent car (overall!) and then we'll talk about engines...
Yep, I bet it's still gonna just a Dodge in the end...
*: Ford Contour = Ford Mondeo, Chevrolet Malibu Maxx = Opel Astra or Vectra???... many other examples.
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Last edited by WoRkZ; Aug 8, 2005 at 10:53 AM.
Originally Posted by DiamondWhite
Well... lets look at it this way. DOHC availability.... and more support.
Originally Posted by DiamondWhite
Because every jackass buying a mitsu powered dodge will be tuning it... theirs will just rust apart at 80k miles
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as far as designs go, i dont think we have to worry about dodge engineering the mitsu engines i think it worked the other way around, given dodge has lots cash but shabby engineers and mitsu has great engineers but little cash. i think diamond has the right idea and i like it =)
i think it worked the other way around, given dodge has lots cash but shabby engineers and mitsu has great engineers but little cash. i think diamond has the right idea and i like it =)
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Yeah, I know what you mean... but if we were getting the DOHC engine in the first place, we wouldn't have to think about swapping parts from a Dodge engine to get the best performance.
Then again, Chrysler might still take a good DOHC engine and screw it up until it doesn't deliver anything more than the SOHC on the next Mitsubishi models...
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Yeah, I know what you mean... but if we were getting the DOHC engine in the first place, we wouldn't have to think about swapping parts from a Dodge engine to get the best performance.
Then again, Chrysler might still take a good DOHC engine and screw it up until it doesn't deliver anything more than the SOHC on the next Mitsubishi models...
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only 5% more power whats that 7 to 10 hp! and it's a dohc! plastic intake-manifold you know that was dodge's idea. weak block thats hyundai idea. i was reading that they made this motor really light not too good of a idea.