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Yeh i see that the 09 WRX has been bushed way ahead of all competition... i will not be buying for another 2 years so mitsu has time to make something nice for me...Originally Posted by ambystom01
Uh....according to this review http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=7103 the Mazdaspeed3 came in last place behind the Ralliart, WRX and Cobalt SS (in that order). Here's my take on it, test drive all four vehicles plus any others you can think of (GTI comes to mind) and decide which one feels right for you. Funnily enough the fastest car might not the best for you just like the cheapest car might not be the best for you. Different people have different driving habits, different needs and different tastes thus the same car will not feel right for everyone.
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honestly, i so would buy one if they outfitted it in the same wide body shell the evox has. purely on cosmetic reasons i'm not getting it. power and tranny are all good to me.
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Well they would be silly to do that since it already hard enough to tell the 2 apart... all consumers would look at is the price ... and those who payed more would not get the prestige of looking a bit better...Originally Posted by vassili
honestly, i so would buy one if they outfitted it in the same wide body shell the evox has. purely on cosmetic reasons i'm not getting it. power and tranny are all good to me.
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Actually the Ralliart placed last, did you read it? Originally Posted by ambystom01
Uh....according to this review http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=7103 the Mazdaspeed3 came in last place behind the Ralliart, WRX and Cobalt SS (in that order). Here's my take on it, test drive all four vehicles plus any others you can think of (GTI comes to mind) and decide which one feels right for you. Funnily enough the fastest car might not the best for you just like the cheapest car might not be the best for you. Different people have different driving habits, different needs and different tastes thus the same car will not feel right for everyone.
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I did but for whatever reason I thought MS3 was last.Originally Posted by eg6motion
Actually the Ralliart placed last, did you read it?
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Also as I said, AWD makes a price different, we're talking about a sophisticated AWD system vs a FWD car, it's not going to match up the same price wise.
it's not a 6k jump... you can get EVO GSR's for about 28k. that's less than a fully loaded ralliart.Originally Posted by Mors
The point here is that Mazdaspeed 3 IS Mazda's EVO, they don't have anything else out there. The Ralliart is not Mitsubishi's primary performance car here, and they're never going to move it into a position that would further hurt the EVOs current sales. Hopping into an EVO for $6k more isn't a small jump either. Also as I said, AWD makes a price different, we're talking about a sophisticated AWD system vs a FWD car, it's not going to match up the same price wise.
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you beat me to it haha. ralliart was dead last, and slowest (big surprise), then the WRX which was fastest (of the group i would take this one first), then the MS3, then the POS cobalt took first.Originally Posted by eg6motion
Actually the Ralliart placed last, did you read it?
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For ****'s sake...Originally Posted by ODUB
it's not a 6k jump... you can get EVO GSR's for about 28k. that's less than a fully loaded ralliart.
You're comparing the price of a base GSR to the price of a loaded Ralliart. There is a $6,000 difference in base MSRP, and the base car includes all available performance features in both instances.
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You either think I'm too dumb to know that, or you've missed my point. It's unreasonable to say "there's $4,000 between a Ralliart and GSR" when you've added vent visors, wheel locks, and the aluminum fuel door to the Ralliart, and the GSR is a no-options example. Originally Posted by mike100
Base GSR >any RA (unless u can't drive stick)
A base RA and a base GSR are $6,000 apart. A loaded RA (Recaros + navi, but no accessory items) and a loaded GSR (SSS + navi + aero) are over $8,000 apart, or $6,000 apart without the aero.
I'd think the new 5-spd 265 hp wrx is a better value (bear in mind I place zero value to the SST)- for some the RA is neat, but the base GSR is selling at or below $30k so the msrp is irrelevant. If (rather when) the RA is discounted similarly, then the argument on price becomes valid again. I supose some people need features over performance...I find it hard to believe that performance would take a back seat to navigation and the like, but that's just me.
Everybody has different expectations. I'd rather have a lancer GTS over a RA just to save money and get the better economy. Of course I already have an evo x so I really couldn't imagine having to pay a lot just to get fair mileage at best and a lot less performance. Of course that is hindsight and people are trying to tell you.
Everybody has different expectations. I'd rather have a lancer GTS over a RA just to save money and get the better economy. Of course I already have an evo x so I really couldn't imagine having to pay a lot just to get fair mileage at best and a lot less performance. Of course that is hindsight and people are trying to tell you.
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Except that it's not. Presumably, the Ralliart will also sell below MSRP with time. You may recall that mere months ago, there were multi-thousand-dollar "market adjustments" on the GSR. Also, you're looking at '08 GSR pricing. I expect we may see a jump in '09 Evo pricing.Originally Posted by mike100
the base GSR is selling at or below $30k so the msrp is irrelevant
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That should never happen... bUt it will for ralli art prices down i hope...Originally Posted by ODUB
it's not a 6k jump... you can get EVO GSR's for about 28k. that's less than a fully loaded ralliart.
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ONly to a person who wants a slow car overpriced.Originally Posted by TruboPower
loaded ra is still a much better value than a base gsr