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I think he might be referring to DD. With more comfortable suspension, better sound and tech package, and less "race car" experience the RA is a good choice over the GSR. If we account the insurance and all that then yes it is, but for the non-daily driver who doesn't care for the additional accessories the Evo is the clear choice
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Except that it's not. Presumably, the Ralliart will also sell below MSRP with time. You may recall that mere months ago, there were multi-thousand-dollar "market adjustments" on the GSR. Also, you're looking at '08 GSR pricing. I expect we may see a jump in '09 Evo pricing.
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I was riding in a friends new 08 MS3 last week and i have read all the reviews and comparisons and such that place the MS3 in the number one spot in its class even rated better that the ralli art wrx and r32...
I got to thinking.. The 09 ralli art is underpowered and heavy and has the evo 9s AWD system..
WHat if mitsu had made it:
1. FWD 2.4L (GTS engine) turbo IC 235 hp and 250 Lbs. torque
2. Offer regular auto 5 speed and a manual 6 speed and special limited edition with SST
3. Use a tight sport tuned suspension like the MS3
4. then make it available fully loaded at $25K to match the MS3! doing that would kil the WRX and the MS3!
As it is right now the MS3 is cheaper faster and handles better than the ralli art even with out the AWD! So if mazda bring a special edition AWD MS3 at a lower price than the ralli art then what?
I got to thinking.. The 09 ralli art is underpowered and heavy and has the evo 9s AWD system..
WHat if mitsu had made it:
1. FWD 2.4L (GTS engine) turbo IC 235 hp and 250 Lbs. torque
2. Offer regular auto 5 speed and a manual 6 speed and special limited edition with SST
3. Use a tight sport tuned suspension like the MS3
4. then make it available fully loaded at $25K to match the MS3! doing that would kil the WRX and the MS3!
As it is right now the MS3 is cheaper faster and handles better than the ralli art even with out the AWD! So if mazda bring a special edition AWD MS3 at a lower price than the ralli art then what?
Against all the odds , they runned great ! Only problem was with them , the reliability. And to fixed them wasn't cheap either. /that was in hungary/
so if the MS3 comes out with the awd version, i think will be fun , but i would be careful with them.
I would pick the Ford focus RS over them any day. and those might coming out with AWD soon
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/04/o...ford-focus-rs/
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The '08 WRX compares to the RA, but as reviews have shown the '09 WRX is leaps and bounds beyond it's little brother (who, I believe, has become the Impreza 2.5GT)
Why? It would be great if Mitsu would do what Subaru has done with the '09 WRX. You'll notice in that article above (and many other reviews) that the new WRX is only .1 sec 0-60 behind the STi. BUT, if you tested both cars fully I'm sure the result would be: The WRX is more daily-driveable, the STi is faster in all situations. If the RA and the Evo were like that it would be great. Subaru's move with the WRX is going to be great for them, it may take away from the STi sales a bit, but WRX sales are going to go through the roof.
The whole point here is that the X has way better tech as far as performance than the RA. HP asside it is still worth plenty more, Hell, just the S-AWC makes it worth plenty more. But it also has stiffer suspension and, while I've never driven a new RA (obviously), I imagine is less comfortable all around just like the STi vs WRX comparison.
The whole point here is that the X has way better tech as far as performance than the RA. HP asside it is still worth plenty more, Hell, just the S-AWC makes it worth plenty more. But it also has stiffer suspension and, while I've never driven a new RA (obviously), I imagine is less comfortable all around just like the STi vs WRX comparison.
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I would pick the Ford focus RS over them any day. and those might coming out with AWD soon
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/04/o...ford-focus-rs/
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/04/o...ford-focus-rs/
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Yes i hear you its just the mitsu does not have a good track record of making the best improvements to their cars..
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True, so wouldn't it stand to reason that the 09s would have to do something better than the 08s in addition to just being "newer" to warrant a price increase??? Dealers need a selling point to explain to buyers why they should buy the newer year model of the car that didnt sell last year...
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True, so wouldn't it stand to reason that the 09s would have to do something better than the 08s in addition to just being "newer" to warrant a price increase??? Dealers need a selling point to explain to buyers why they should buy the newer year model of the car that didnt sell last year...
So basically my actual stance on this issue is: who cares if they improve it, it's still going to be backed by a ****ty company.
True, so wouldn't it stand to reason that the 09s would have to do something better than the 08s in addition to just being "newer" to warrant a price increase??? Dealers need a selling point to explain to buyers why they should buy the newer year model of the car that didnt sell last year...
Depreciation (the '08s would've been sitting on the lot for a year, while not much, there's still wear and tear on the car) = why the price is lower for the '08
That alone should be enough, but on top of that I bet there will be a few design improvements, cars almost always have design improvements between model years. Look at the 3 years of the VIII as an example. Would you rather an '03 or an '05? Assuming they had been vacuum sealed and suspended in some sort of anti-gravity chamber and not driven at all (meaning the car is as good as it was off the factory floor when you "open" it)... I think everyone would pick the '05... which is why the '05 should have a higher price than the '03. There's not a significant power improvement (what like 5 hp) but there's loads of other goodies. It's the same reason people pay more for the "GSR" over the RS and more for the MR over the "GSR"/GSR: extra goodies. Otherwise they'd just make a bunch of RSes to keep the costs down.
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Mitsu doesn't exactly have a good track record of anything, esp not Mitsu Motors. The Evo is great, but I would never buy a new one that still has the cost of the "warranty" rolled into it. I'd also never buy any other Mitsu nor recommend it to anyone else, if they chose to do it I would hope it was based on looks and they bought used. If someone came up to me and said "Jake, should I buy an '08 WRX or an RA" I'd laugh and ask why they would even consider the RA. Mitsu is doing a great thing for their market bringing out the RA, but if someone was looking at that group of cars (20-30k decent performers) I would throw it at the bottom of the list.
So basically my actual stance on this issue is: who cares if they improve it, it's still going to be backed by a ****ty company.
Selling point: Inflation = why the price is higher for the '09
Depreciation (the '08s would've been sitting on the lot for a year, while not much, there's still wear and tear on the car) = why the price is lower for the '08
That alone should be enough, but on top of that I bet there will be a few design improvements, cars almost always have design improvements between model years. Look at the 3 years of the VIII as an example. Would you rather an '03 or an '05? Assuming they had been vacuum sealed and suspended in some sort of anti-gravity chamber and not driven at all (meaning the car is as good as it was off the factory floor when you "open" it)... I think everyone would pick the '05... which is why the '05 should have a higher price than the '03. There's not a significant power improvement (what like 5 hp) but there's loads of other goodies. It's the same reason people pay more for the "GSR" over the RS and more for the MR over the "GSR"/GSR: extra goodies. Otherwise they'd just make a bunch of RSes to keep the costs down.
So basically my actual stance on this issue is: who cares if they improve it, it's still going to be backed by a ****ty company.
Selling point: Inflation = why the price is higher for the '09
Depreciation (the '08s would've been sitting on the lot for a year, while not much, there's still wear and tear on the car) = why the price is lower for the '08
That alone should be enough, but on top of that I bet there will be a few design improvements, cars almost always have design improvements between model years. Look at the 3 years of the VIII as an example. Would you rather an '03 or an '05? Assuming they had been vacuum sealed and suspended in some sort of anti-gravity chamber and not driven at all (meaning the car is as good as it was off the factory floor when you "open" it)... I think everyone would pick the '05... which is why the '05 should have a higher price than the '03. There's not a significant power improvement (what like 5 hp) but there's loads of other goodies. It's the same reason people pay more for the "GSR" over the RS and more for the MR over the "GSR"/GSR: extra goodies. Otherwise they'd just make a bunch of RSes to keep the costs down.
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