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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 09:50 AM
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agreed
The very same thing can be said about the manual.
And it has been said.
And that came from a MR owner, too.
How can a manual get boring? You have no choice but to shift it, it's not the TC-SST where there is that other option to just leave it in auto and ignore the paddles. Granted you could do this with a manual but you're not going to get far by leaving it in first all the time.
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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 09:54 AM
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Is there a point to saying something like this?

...Well that does it for me. I might as well sell the car now, because migs said it would get old.
No you're missing the point. The point was people who have paddle shifters tend to start using the automatic / sports mode more because it can shift more efficiently than you. It becomes more easy street / like an automatic than a semi-automatic.
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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 09:59 AM
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He's a Mitsubishi exec, are you really so naive as to think that he knows the car inside and out or that he has any mechanical experience? Hell the guy probably drives a BMW or Mercedes to work. A few reviewers have also complained that the tranny shifts rough and a few members have made that observation as well, I'm guessing that wasn't mentioned by the exec now was it? It's funny when sarcasm backfires.
How can you possibly know what the guy drives or what he knows? You're basing your assumption off a stereotype. He must just sip lattes all day and look out his 30 story window onto downtown Tokyo. And what does the tranny shifting rough have to do with anything? Everyone here knows that's just the nature of the SST. It will not be buttery smooth like an automatic transmission. I was under the impression we were talking about how the tranny has less parts and is more reliable then a tradition manual (not saying that's my opinion)?
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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
I loved my sunroof when I first got my car but now I don't even use it.
Well, that's you.
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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 10:00 AM
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That's a Mitsubishi exec, he's not going to say "oh and by the way, please don't bag on the car since the transmission has a tendency to overheat".
Somebody hit the nail on the head, the Ralliart was designed to be a street car, and that's it. For that job, it's pretty ****ing sweet. As a track car though the weight, the restricted performance and the lack of a true manual hinders it substantially.
This comes back to the argument on the MR too. And the only extra argument the MR people have (unless the RA has it too) is the transmission mode that spefically states is for track use only. Very few cars are designed to be track cars, and even less designed to be a mix of street/track in perfect harmony.

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oh yes, I agree.
I cross-shopped it with a Lexus IS250 AWD, R32, EvoXGSR and the Nissan Nismo.
Price became the issue naturally.
So...i stayed modest and copped the R/A.
What the hell is a Nissan Nismo? The Nismo Frontier? Or the Nismo 350z? Or a Nismo Sentra? I looked at a Mercedes AMG one time

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Yeah you're right. He should have said, "I know I'm a mitsubishi exec and all, but i dont really know anything about this car. Instead I want you to listen to ambystom01 over at evom.net. Oh and because a handful of people have gotten overheating issues, that means EVERY tranny will overheat."
I'm pretty confident that in equal circumstances EVERY tranny will overheat on the MR and the RA. The good news is: you're backed by the Mitsumod community, and I know loads are hard at work on getting a tranny cooler system for the MR, and likely one for the RA won't be far behind.

The Mitsu execs know less than you may want to believe, and if they don't, then they know more than they are telling anyone. I would trust someone on EvoM (especially someone with amby's experience) over a Mitsu exec.
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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Nobody is saying you will, people are simply saying that it's best to wait longer than a week before you come to some massive conclusion that a brand new technology is going to revolutionize the entire industry. I loved my sunroof when I first got my car but now I don't even use it.
Yeah and I loved my very first manual car, and after a while got sick of driving a clutch. Yes there are people out there who disagree with you.
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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 10:07 AM
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This comes back to the argument on the MR too. And the only extra argument the MR people have (unless the RA has it too) is the transmission mode that spefically states is for track use only. Very few cars are designed to be track cars, and even less designed to be a mix of street/track in perfect harmony.



What the hell is a Nissan Nismo? The Nismo Frontier? Or the Nismo 350z? Or a Nismo Sentra? I looked at a Mercedes AMG one time



I'm pretty confident that in equal circumstances EVERY tranny will overheat on the MR and the RA. The good news is: you're backed by the Mitsumod community, and I know loads are hard at work on getting a tranny cooler system for the MR, and likely one for the RA won't be far behind.

The Mitsu execs know less than you may want to believe, and if they don't, then they know more than they are telling anyone. I would trust someone on EvoM (especially someone with amby's experience) over a Mitsu exec.
The 350z of course.


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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 10:07 AM
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Heh, this debate is never going to go away. If anything I think it's polarizing people from considering cars. Just give the choice and it won't be an issue.
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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
How can a manual get boring? You have no choice but to shift it, it's not the TC-SST where there is that other option to just leave it in auto and ignore the paddles. Granted you could do this with a manual but you're not going to get far by leaving it in first all the time.

You know.
It is true.
A manual can get boring.
I have been driving a manual since 14 years old and i got tired of it.
You can and people will.
I am one of them.
And if there is one, there is more.
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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by EsRt2evo
How can you possibly know what the guy drives or what he knows? You're basing your assumption off a stereotype. He must just sip lattes all day and look out his 30 story window onto downtown Tokyo. And what does the tranny shifting rough have to do with anything? Everyone here knows that's just the nature of the SST. It will not be buttery smooth like an automatic transmission. I was under the impression we were talking about how the tranny has less parts and is more reliable then a tradition manual (not saying that's my opinion)?
He's an executive, do you really think they're hired based on their automotive prowess? No, they're hired to keep the business afloat.
My point was that just because it's not mentioned by the exec doesn't mean it's not an issue. The exec gave that interview to sell the car, as such he's only going to outline positive aspects of the vehicle.
The SST is not as reliable as a traditional manual, the wet packs make that very difficult.
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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by UT_Evo
This comes back to the argument on the MR too. And the only extra argument the MR people have (unless the RA has it too) is the transmission mode that spefically states is for track use only. Very few cars are designed to be track cars, and even less designed to be a mix of street/track in perfect harmony.
True, I supposed I should expand on that. Some cars are easier to make trackable than others and the Ralliart fits into the latter category.
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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by EsRt2evo
Yeah and I loved my very first manual car, and after a while got sick of driving a clutch. Yes there are people out there who disagree with you.
And that's perfectly fine.
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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 10:22 AM
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How about we all drive our own cars fitted with different transmissions and live happily ever after? No need to keep debating personal preferences...
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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
He's an executive, do you really think they're hired based on their automotive prowess? No, they're hired to keep the business afloat.
My point was that just because it's not mentioned by the exec doesn't mean it's not an issue. The exec gave that interview to sell the car, as such he's only going to outline positive aspects of the vehicle.
The SST is not as reliable as a traditional manual, the wet packs make that very difficult.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you. But don't you think those are some pretty big things to say, on a video of all places, if they felt they weren't true?
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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Heliart
How about we all drive our own cars fitted with different transmissions and live happily ever after? No need to keep debating personal preferences...
Thank you.
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