Ultimate Racing Single Exit VS Dual Exit
Ultimate Racing Single Exit VS Dual Exit
Hey I am curious what the major difference is other then cosmetic of the 2 exhausts. I plan on purchasing one of these tonight thanks to the sale but if there isnt an HP gain from the Dual over the Single I am going to go with the single I am a total noob when it comes to this stuff and I do not want a crazy loud exhaust just something a little more aggressive and I have heard that the Dual Exhaust is very very loud. Any help is appreciated.
With a single exhaust:
-less total weight
-less total resistance (backpressure)
-less silliness because we are an inline four (not a V6 or V8)...
But without a new rear diffuser it would look.... lame.
-less total weight
-less total resistance (backpressure)
-less silliness because we are an inline four (not a V6 or V8)...
But without a new rear diffuser it would look.... lame.
Wait, wha..? Using a similarly designed muffler canister on both setups, two pipes will always outflow 1, even if the pipe reuces to 2.5" at the "Y". The flow of air will not be so linear, with the split, but backpressure will not be increased.
I agree with the rest, though.
I agree with the rest, though.
The resistance to flow of two 2 inch pipes is greater than for a single 3 inch pipe.
Picture the drag along the wall. If the total percent of the cross section is more wall then you affect flow.
Picture the drag along the wall. If the total percent of the cross section is more wall then you affect flow.
Just so I understand your perspective in the argument, you are talking about potential drag from friction due to increased piping surface area, right? If so, then I understand where you are coming from. We are talking about 2 different things, and I apologize for the confusion. You are obviously referring to resistance as in the physical friction(and possibly turbulence)-based resistance due to overall internal surface area increase, I am talking about flow volume resistance.
When taking into account the relative carrying capacity of a pipe of the same material, carrying the same gas, the 2 2.5" pipes will still outflow the single 3". Not to say that our car (especially with the stock turbo) will ever outflow a 3" exhaust, but I still believe that the split design has less potential for backpressure.
Correct me if I am wrong, because I am no engineer, nor to I pretend to be, the math just makes sense in my head.
When taking into account the relative carrying capacity of a pipe of the same material, carrying the same gas, the 2 2.5" pipes will still outflow the single 3". Not to say that our car (especially with the stock turbo) will ever outflow a 3" exhaust, but I still believe that the split design has less potential for backpressure.
Correct me if I am wrong, because I am no engineer, nor to I pretend to be, the math just makes sense in my head.
Just so I understand your perspective in the argument, you are talking about potential drag from friction due to increased piping surface area, right? If so, then I understand where you are coming from. We are talking about 2 different things, and I apologize for the confusion. You are obviously referring to resistance as in the physical friction(and possibly turbulence)-based resistance due to overall internal surface area increase, I am talking about flow volume resistance.
Yep! That is my point.
When taking into account the relative carrying capacity of a pipe of the same material, carrying the same gas, the 2 2.5" pipes will still outflow the single 3". Not to say that our car (especially with the stock turbo) will ever outflow a 3" exhaust, but I still believe that the split design has less potential for backpressure.
Agreed.
I am just saying it takes a larger two pipe system to flow as well as a single pipe than you would think (it is not linear - i.e. total area of the two pipes only has to equal total area of the single pipe. The dual pipes still need more area to flow the same due to the losses flowing against the wall area.
Correct me if I am wrong, because I am no engineer, nor to I pretend to be, the math just makes sense in my head.
Yep! That is my point.
When taking into account the relative carrying capacity of a pipe of the same material, carrying the same gas, the 2 2.5" pipes will still outflow the single 3". Not to say that our car (especially with the stock turbo) will ever outflow a 3" exhaust, but I still believe that the split design has less potential for backpressure.
Agreed.
Correct me if I am wrong, because I am no engineer, nor to I pretend to be, the math just makes sense in my head.
2 x 2.5 does not equal '5' in flow - it is more like 4~ish.
2 x 2 is more like 2.75~ish.
Last edited by Veronica; Nov 30, 2012 at 05:58 AM.
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Hey I am curious what the major difference is other then cosmetic of the 2 exhausts. I plan on purchasing one of these tonight thanks to the sale but if there isnt an HP gain from the Dual over the Single I am going to go with the single I am a total noob when it comes to this stuff and I do not want a crazy loud exhaust just something a little more aggressive and I have heard that the Dual Exhaust is very very loud. Any help is appreciated.
Post a video of how it sounds when you get it installed.
This ^ plus if you have a sportback or a gutted interior the single will produce less resonance noise in the cabin because you don't have a huge can or two medium cans laying flat a couple inches bellow the middle if the truck pan.
Got the single installed today -- seriously impressed. I have the resonated midpipe and you can tell it's louder at idle but generally it's only a bit louder than stock with light throttle. No droning on the freeway either (rather, no unpleasant or unwanted resonance I should say). Step on it and it sounds delightfully hooligan-ish!
I've had aftermarket exhausts before and it's quieter than the 2.5" double resonated exhaust I had on my 1.8t A4 and about the same volume as my friend's stock Type R with a semi-gutted interior. That 7" can at the back really is better than an oval muffler. The dealer installs lots of the UR duals but this was their first single -- manager said it was quieter, with a smoother tone than the UR dual which can be too raspy for some.
I'll try to work on a video this weekend!
I've had aftermarket exhausts before and it's quieter than the 2.5" double resonated exhaust I had on my 1.8t A4 and about the same volume as my friend's stock Type R with a semi-gutted interior. That 7" can at the back really is better than an oval muffler. The dealer installs lots of the UR duals but this was their first single -- manager said it was quieter, with a smoother tone than the UR dual which can be too raspy for some.
I'll try to work on a video this weekend!
Last edited by majinfajita; Dec 8, 2012 at 07:26 AM.
Got the single installed today -- seriously impressed. I have the resonated midpipe and you can tell it's louder at idle but generally it's only a bit louder than stock with light throttle. No droning on the freeway either (rather, no unpleasant or unwanted resonance I should say). Step on it and it sounds delightfully hooligan-ish!
I've had aftermarket exhausts before and it's quieter than the 2.5" double resonated exhaust I had on my 1.8t A4 and about the same volume as my friend's stock Type R with a semi-gutted interior. That 7" can at the back really is better than an oval muffler. The dealer installs lots of the UR duals but this was their first single -- manager said it was quieter, with a smoother tone than the UR dual which can be too raspy for some.
I'll try to work on a video this weekend!
I've had aftermarket exhausts before and it's quieter than the 2.5" double resonated exhaust I had on my 1.8t A4 and about the same volume as my friend's stock Type R with a semi-gutted interior. That 7" can at the back really is better than an oval muffler. The dealer installs lots of the UR duals but this was their first single -- manager said it was quieter, with a smoother tone than the UR dual which can be too raspy for some.
I'll try to work on a video this weekend!
I can get you guys a video of the UR single exit that I switched to. Much quieter than the dual, but probably because I am tuned for it now. Current setup is UR catback with no res, or mini muffler option and Invidia N1 long downpipe/testpipe.
In the meanwhile, heres my UR dual exit with 3 inch piping and stock cat. Untuned so it was super loud and throaty. Kinda miss that though.
In the meanwhile, heres my UR dual exit with 3 inch piping and stock cat. Untuned so it was super loud and throaty. Kinda miss that though.
I can get you guys a video of the UR single exit that I switched to. Much quieter than the dual, but probably because I am tuned for it now. Current setup is UR catback with no res, or mini muffler option and Invidia N1 long downpipe/testpipe.
In the meanwhile, heres my UR dual exit with 3 inch piping and stock cat. Untuned so it was super loud and throaty. Kinda miss that though.
http://youtu.be/M1h5-TqOZRA
In the meanwhile, heres my UR dual exit with 3 inch piping and stock cat. Untuned so it was super loud and throaty. Kinda miss that though.
http://youtu.be/M1h5-TqOZRA
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