Did you guys get the new Buschur IC?

 

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that's correct... bar and plate is vastly more durable... and, like someone said, it's a big ol' heat sink... this is good... and, they usually have more surface area to dispense of that stored heat... if i'm not mistaken, that new Greddy is a variation of the bar and plate 4-row for the TT Supra correct??? if that's the case... there's no doubt in my mind which IC to go with... it is a tank and had vast capabilities for power capacity... if i had to pick another, prolly a Spearco...

someone said about daily driver view, well, here's the thing... you're going to expose the most heat during stop and go driving... meaning... driving in the city, jumping on it here and there, then stopping for traffic or lights... this is when heat will "sink" into your ic... a proper bar and plate has far more storage capacity of this heat, and, more surface area for when you get moving again to cool it down... VE's are not much of an issue since a good b&p will have proper routing to be extremely efficient... only thing more efficent IMO is a good air-to-liquid... my evo will be seeing a bar and plate for sure after many first hand experiences to tube and fin vs bar and plate...

chris...

 

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=104433

I just installed a Spearco bar and plate FMIC core that uses the stock pipes. I had poor results with it on the first night out with stock turbo on a COLD night. Check out that thread for more details.

 

When I was in the market for an FMIC I found it very hard to make a choice. Between reading threads and calling manufacturers to find out what really makes their FMIC better than everyone else. Well I wasn’t able to get any straight answers, most of the people representing the companies didn’t know what they were talking about. No one had spec’s, everyone did different testing, no one could provide me with a reasonable answer, and no one could say why their intercooler was better. I spoke to quiet a few companies before I made my choice.. Spearco told me that theirs was 100 degrees lower than stock but, told me outlet temps were 175 deg F & they could not guarantee HP gains, BR said it would produce 12WHP had no temps but the car used for testing wasn’t stock it had upgrades, Greddy didn’t say what the difference was between the V & R specs were other than size, HKS wasn’t sure about whether it came with pipes or not. They made it clear it was Japanese spec, Perrin didn’t know how come their bar & plate was better than Spearco, & XS couldn’t really tell me why a tube header was better than a bar & plate. Well, here a couple of things I learned. Bar & Plates are usually stronger and better for most applications because they don’t heat soak as fast as a tube header especially while sitting idle. Since B&P have more material it takes more BTU’s to get it hot. More material also means it can absorb more heat & maintain high cooling efficiency. Lastly, they don’t have header flanges. The benefit of NOT having a header flange makes the tubes longer, wider, and intercooler actually bigger. A header flange is used to hold the tubes in place, that’s why it’s called a tube header intercooler not tube & fin. Wow its gotten a lot longer than I had expected. Well I found a company that was able to satisfy my quest for knowledge and made me a deal I couldn’t resist. They told me if their intercooler performed worse than stock I could return it. So, how could I pass a deal like that up. The bar & plate I bought is produced by a company called Nisei Engineering. I was determine to get my money back so I began testing.



Vehicle : completely stock

Test: open highway 4th gear, held it at 3000rpm and then full throttle til redline, 4 passes back to back.



Needless to say, I had to pay for my intercooler because it kicked the stock cores butt. Results overall average was:



Ambient Air – 82 degree F

Inlet Temp – 188 degree F

Outlet Temp – 95 degree F



As far as boost drop I wasn’t able to detect any difference. I was using 2 mechanical boost gauges so I didn’t see any drop off. What I can say is, I don’t believe it has any drop because the throttle response is actually better than the stock core. Not bad for under $700.





Well, I just wanted to share my experience with everyone and you all can take it for what it is. Lastly, here is a link about intercoolers for the EVO you might want to take a look at...you might just learn something, I know I did.

www.NiseiEngineering.com/Sample.swf

 

Very interesting indeed...

 

great link.

 

The way its designed does it help flow air into the radiator? A good fmic should cool the temp and also have good air flow to the radiator so it wont overheat. My friend who is sponsored by Spearco says their fmic is good for drag racing because it does a good job in cooling the temp but not the radiator. But if Nisei does both functions then im sold.

How is the fitment on the fmic, did you need to modify or cut any parts?

 

Str8Ryda

Got any pics of it installed?

 

that looks like a qauilty pieace , they go into good detail on how tubes and the surface area , It says www.myevostore .com has them ,but I checked they only cary greddy and HKS . Im really likeing this company .

 

Interesting Info

 

Bar and plate will also hold more pressure as well. That is part of why the rally cars use them. At 50lbs of boost a tube and fin design is on the verge of swelling the tubes and closing off flow through the I/C. We are looking into a bar and plate radiator for our racecars becuase of this reason.

 

i personally prefer a high quality tube and fin. we have a variety of different intercooler cores here at our shop, and everyone who works here runs a tube and fin on our personal cars.

They are half the weight, datalogging shows them to be equal in temperature differential, but they are far superior in terms of the pressure differential

 

This is a email reply I got from myevostore.com

I didnt even know it was out yet in production yet. We're still testing
prototype version 2. How did you hear about it?

Rob

 

Hey everyone, we're gonna be exclusively selling the FMIC's. I've got the version 2 on my shop car and you wont beleive how great the construction of it is. I will get some pics for you guys!

Rob