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Bar & Plate or Tube & Fin?
Go check out the PWR website. I think thet explain the differences between the two. I do know bar and plate construction is more durable but I believe tube and fin are slighly more efficient.
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Originally Posted by 4DR4WD
is it really that much of a concern on a street car? even if you are pushing 400whp, i believe either type of intercooler would be sufficient
Originally Posted by Zeus
This is one I'd really like to see the vendors (builders) jump on... I'm holding my spin on the subject due to my affinity for durability from the daily driver's view.
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In a bar & plate the thickness of the metal of the bars and plates themselves helps promote the transfer of heat from the charge air into the metal itself this is a more effective way to cool the charge air especially at lower speeds. The downside to a bar & plate over tube and fin is B&P takes longer to cool once it gets hot
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From my personal experience, bar and plate intercoolers are way more durable compared to tube and fin. I've had both kinds on my 2g. The fins on my greddy (tube and fin) intercooler core was thrashed after about 50k miles. All the fins were bent pretty bad. I replaced that w/ a spearco and drove another 30k miles and there were only minor dings on the fins that could easily be straightened out w/ needle nose pliers. Most of those miles were spent on the highway and my car was pretty low. There was probably only 3" between the ground and the bottom of my front bumper and I had no screen to protect the FMIC. I would say the intercooler was driven under pretty harsh driving conditions.
After 11k miles on my EVO, I have about ~10 noticeable dings on my stock fmic. I only had minor dings on my spearco after driving 30k miles.
As far as efficiency goes, I'm not sure. Most tube and fin cores aren't as thick as the Spearco bricks.
After 11k miles on my EVO, I have about ~10 noticeable dings on my stock fmic. I only had minor dings on my spearco after driving 30k miles.
As far as efficiency goes, I'm not sure. Most tube and fin cores aren't as thick as the Spearco bricks.
Originally Posted by vividracing3
In a bar & plate the thickness of the metal of the bars and plates themselves helps promote the transfer of heat from the charge air into the metal itself this is a more effective way to cool the charge air especially at lower speeds. The downside to a bar & plate over tube and fin is B&P takes longer to cool once it gets hot
Just to double check the oem IC is tube and fine correct?
Last edited by lil'evil_evo; Oct 21, 2004 at 09:44 PM.
This site explains it very well http://www.are.com.au/techtalk/intecoolersMR.htm#ENGINE%20DESTRUCTION%20%20!%20!% 20!%20!!
Originally Posted by marksae
OEM is tube and fin.
Buschur is bar and plate... ALso bar and plate is a better heatsink absorbing more heat on the hot side...
Ive had my buschur intercooler for 5000 miles and have put my hand at the inlet and outlet... Always a huge difference and getting nice cool air...Haven had it heat soak even after a long freeway run..
Ive had my buschur intercooler for 5000 miles and have put my hand at the inlet and outlet... Always a huge difference and getting nice cool air...Haven had it heat soak even after a long freeway run..
Originally Posted by DocMortal
Buschur is bar and plate... ALso bar and plate is a better heatsink absorbing more heat on the hot side...
Ive had my buschur intercooler for 5000 miles and have put my hand at the inlet and outlet... Always a huge difference and getting nice cool air...Haven had it heat soak even after a long freeway run..
Ive had my buschur intercooler for 5000 miles and have put my hand at the inlet and outlet... Always a huge difference and getting nice cool air...Haven had it heat soak even after a long freeway run..
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