Now, you're talking brother.....You are stepping into a totally different territory tough guy. Lets end it here and I'm gonna pm u in a second............

 

Ok,go map out your route to ohio and get that 4banger fixed,

 

Oh no not a pm,please no,ok ok,im done

 

I think all the fighting and insults are taking away from a very important subject, namely WHY would someone want to run a AEM on a street car without knock control active. As a AEM owner, I would like to hear from Mark at TT or Jason Siebles why they feel the knock control is not needed and why they would not turn it on. Also, if its not needed, why did they include it with the AEM?? What safety net can the AEM users use other than the knock sensor to safeguard against bad gas, etc...?

 

Lets keep it civilized guys. Mods don't much like it when things get out of hand.

Shane

 

everybody drink and be happy

Miller light, Good Call.

 

Thanks masterevo for bumping this back on track. That was one of my questions to David, I did not even know about it to be honest with u..

I would like for this thread to continue in a professional manner since so many people are going with the AEM. I loved my AEM, and regretted selling it, but I though it was one of the best mods I purchased. Next time I am going with a new frame of mind and a LOT more knowledge about it once I'm back on the road.

I had a Haltech'd 20g Eclipse in the late 90's and it was a major PITA to deal with in the winter as my daily driver, no comparison to my AEM. I just wish my Evo would have held on just a few more weeks for my trip to the Buschurs for my water injection and retune..........oh well

 

Im done posting on this thread,I think i just got pmed a threat from hulk hogan,Not sure if its really him but i will keep you posted brother

 

Go away, ur ignorance was already noted. U called turboDan and I to atco and I tried to speak with u in the pm's. Hopefully u r done with the thread, so we can get back on track with the post.

 

Yep, I agree. I tried to squash it and now he's pm me with BS. Lets just stay on track....
Watchout how is your tune, I see u made nice numbers. Where u located? u having any weather change issues?

 

How extensive is the knock control on the AEM? Is there an obvious reason why it wasn't turned on in some cases? Was it something as simple as not flipping a software switch?

I personally know that a lot of signal processing is put into the algorithm for knock control. How is the knock control of the AEM in comparison to other ECUs on the market?

Thanks,

jcnel.

 

That was my main question to David. "What do you think could have prevented such severe detonation to crack my pistons?" Of course besides the obvious bad gas issue, he showed me the little check box on the AEM screen

 

There is a check box on and off

After that - most of the parameters are adjustable - and there are several

Basically you configure it how you like - BUT - it does come with a very effective and safe base setting from the factory

I am also interested to hear from Jason what would be the reason to leave it off. Maybe I can learn something as Jason is the # 1 AEM expert as he designed the system. I met him in Ohio and watched him tune and he is one of the best out there my my observation. If Jason says its not needed it will alter my thinking on it as now I feel its very useful.

 

EZPASS,

Pruven pretty much said it all to you. Let me clarify something though, Tym was not my mechanic. This also proves you know nothing about any of this. He was my sales manager. He was interested in the AEM EMS when it came out and started using it, this got him learning it before anyone else. This made him our tuner at the shop for the EMS at the time.

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

 

I can't speak for Jason and I sent him PM aside from this when I first read it all. He is super busy and I don't know if I will hear back or not. I will say that I am CERTAIN that he is going to recommend running the knock control on a pump gas street tune.

As I said in my other post on all this, Mark admitted not too long ago that he didn't realize you were suppose to turn the knock control on. Another guy posted on here that his car was tuned in August along with a friends and both of their cars had it turned on. Obviously since Mark's post saying he didn't know about it he has learned something and is now using it.

Bottom line is this, Rick's car blew up. He beat the **** out of the car, no problem, we all do. His car didn't bust the transmission, explode the rear end, break a half shaft etc., it blew a piston into pieces from detonation. HAD the knock control been set up properly or for that matter probably just turned on with the base settings that AEM provides I don't think it would have happened. This brings it down to it being the tuners fault in my opinion. Mistake? Sure it was, I am sure Mark didn't intentionally leave it off, as he said, he didn't even know about it. Not knowing about it doesn't make it right though. It is right in the help menu that can be accessed from the tuning screen. I read the entire "manual" before I ever started. Most of it confused me as you I can't learn until I "do".

The knock control is activated by simply clicking on a little box in the knock parameter window. Takes all of 5 seconds to get to that window and click it.

As for how much control you have........TONS. You can set up the knock control in the car so aggressive that I think it would be nearly impossible to ever blow up a car.

Last week I was out tuning an EVO. Running a new style manual boost controller on the car. I started really low on the boost as I always do. Got the tune really nice. Stopped the car in the road, got out and turned up the manual controller. Got back in, hit the datalog button and floored it. Car pulled HARD, then just fell flat on it's face. I mean FLAT on it's face. I get out, pop the hood and start looking for the intercooler pipe that MUST have popped off. I can't find anything. Get back in and look at the datalog. Everything looks fine except the car got super rich on me and had negative timing numbers. WTF happened? Then I see it, the car hit 23 psi of boost. I had the map and knock control set up so it was never suppose to see that much on pump gas, I don't feel it is safe.

My point is, if it is set up correctly it is going to save you. This car honestly felt like an intercooler hose blew off, that is how much is pulled out the power. Anyone with any common sense that felt it would instantly know something was going on and lift at that point.

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com