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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by EVO8_PR
Tial 44mm with the following springs ,a large red(10.15psi) and a small green(5.80psi) for a combined spring rate of 15.95psi
I do have a 2.5" o2 housing. Could it be adding enough backpressure to force the pressure inside the exhaust manifold to overcome the valve on the wastegate?
I'm asuming your on a 35R with supporting mods.

You need to change the springs. A good rule of thumb is to multiply the base spring rate.. So 15.95 * 2 = 31.9 as a max boost. Anything above this will be unstable. Also are you using both ports? Top and bottom?? Do a boost leak test as well..

BTW.. I was able to get 35 psi to redline on a 30R. I didn't have enough fuel to support it so I had to turn it down.
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Old Jan 30, 2009 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by awdboosted
I'm asuming your on a 35R with supporting mods.

You need to change the springs. A good rule of thumb is to multiply the base spring rate.. So 15.95 * 2 = 31.9 as a max boost. Anything above this will be unstable. Also are you using both ports? Top and bottom?? Do a boost leak test as well..

BTW.. I was able to get 35 psi to redline on a 30R. I didn't have enough fuel to support it so I had to turn it down.
Thanks for the tip about the multiplication.

Yes I am using both ports.

No boost leaks to 38psi (that was the max before my boost tester burst off the hose)
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Old Jan 31, 2009 | 09:43 AM
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Just change out the springs and your good to go. NP
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Aby@MIL.SPEC
you need to see what your turbo set-up requires.....depends on your boost level target, w/g preload, etc.

i prefer to have the duty map set up to where a higher number = more boost. this is easily configured by having "boost w/g invert" checked or not.

boost w/g output = yes

boost load = no

boost w/g invert = depends on wiring

boost w/g freq = 31hz

boost idle pw tps 25

boost duty max 90%
boost duty min 10%

fuel cut load = what ever you want it at

i suggest starting with a flat 20% boost w/g base duty map. do a 3rd gear pull....if boost ramps up above whats safe, get off the gas then change your boost w/g invert setting.

if boost is low, complete the pull. make the same map a flat 40%, note boost level. if everything is still safe, your getting more boost, then try a flat 60%....see your results in logged data. modify your map accordingly.

i use a boost target vs tps map. in order to see your target boost map in logged data, "boost fb" must be flagged on, then mae the limits 0.39 & -0.39. this allows you to see logged boost target in data. for now boost error maps, boost wg inp should be flat for now...

you can flag on "boost fb on error" if you want, as long as the able is flat....i prefer this boost control method vs having the system in complete feedback....in some situations live feedback was good, other times it wasnt.....

your call. first you need to develope a w/g duty map to geet you close to your desired boost profile by doing the arbitrary pulls utilizing flat duty maps....this will also teach you the sensitivity of the duty map relative to boost change @ various rpms.....

I found the best performance from the oem ebc needs to run a 0.040" jet before the "T" within the oem boost lines. this jet lives between the compressor housing & the "T". i left in the other oem lines, jets.....

have fun.
I finally got around to dong this (managed to borrow a laptop) and it worked great.
# 040 for a Keihn slow jet.
My WG duty was at 89%. I got over 25psi and had to eventually lower the duty cycle to 0 to start with waste gate spring pressure of 11 psi.
I havent gotten any further than that yet. But in a few hours we will start tuning.
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Old Apr 14, 2009 | 02:34 PM
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I'm glad it's working for you. I never used the stock solenoid. But it's good to know it works. BTW the gm sensor is like 10 bux.. and the harness is 20 if you ever come to the dark side..
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Old Apr 25, 2009 | 08:32 AM
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I'm glad it's working for you. I never used the stock solenoid. But it's good to know it works. BTW the gm sensor is like 10 bux.. and the harness is 20 if you ever come to the dark side..
from where?

I put the lines back to stock. The boost was way to inconsistent with that jet for me.
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 03:41 PM
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by althemean
from where?

I put the lines back to stock. The boost was way to inconsistent with that jet for me.
I went to my local bike shop but took along a #60 drill bit (.040 inches in dia.) to make sure the jet was the right size. The #040 Keihin slow jet was WAY to small. The number on the jet doesn't match up with inch measurements. I had to go all the way up to a #102 main jet (I think that was the number. I should have written it down before installing it). That makes me think the Keihn numbering system references mm and not inches (.040 inches~1 mm). If you installed a jet that was .4mm (I'm assuming #040 = .4mm), you could get high boost numbers but way inconsistent because it's just too much restriction in the line. With the jet I got, I'm at 85% duty up to about 5500 rpm and get a SOLID 21 psi. I then have to increase duty cycle up to redline to keep it from tapering too much. I like a little taper to the boost because the stock turbo efficiency isn't great at higher psi/rpm. I have it taper down to about 18-19 at redline (93% duty at redline). This works great for me because I only wanted to turn the boost up to 20-21 psi. When I go bigger, I'll get the gm solenoid but for now, I have a solution that works for me and cost me $5.99.

If I have the numbers right, you could go down to a #095 or even a #090 and be able to get probably 24-25psi with good consistency. That numbering system is only for Keihin Jets. If you find a different brand at your local shop, I suggest taking something to measure with to double check.
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