again i have cams look at my power....your right where you should be

 

If you have a problem with an established company, your first action should be to go to them, articulate your problem, and ask them for their opinion and what can be done about it.

Did you discuss your tune and why it was done that way with AMS? If you didn't do that, then you have nothing to complain about.

Maybe they just saved you from a destroyed engine from tuning "at the edges". Ever think about that while you're STILL DRIVING A CAR THAT WORKS?

 

I have had 3 years of experience with AMS and my whole car is AMS parts, with as many countless hours that I have been there and as much tuning as they have done I have never once been screwed by them. If I was to build another evo, do you think I am going to go anywhere else?

I bet that you did not even make a phone call to them to talk about this matter, you felt it was just as good to post it here and let your frustrations out??

I know AMS will talk to you but they don't know if you have a problem if YOU don't call them and bring it up.

I would love to see them not help you out because of this but AMS owns all and they will take care of it if something happened.

You have to remember though, you added an I/C and a boost controller... How much power were you thinking that they were going to add?

Handle it right, call them before posting on evom.

 

What did you expect by changing out the i/c and putting in a MBC? Nothing changed! I would assume probably even the boost was set at the same level. There wasn't much room for AMS to improve upon. But what you fail to tell us is there difference between the actual power curves? I know when I had AMS tune my car there wasn't much increase in peak hp but the power curve was dramatically different.

Don't get so caught up in the peak hp numbers. If that is what you are looking for then drive a Honda. But for Evo's we want power across the rev range.

 

I'd love to have > 300whp in non-cammed stock turbo VIII on pump gas; congrats. 306whp on AMS's dyno is a mid to low 12 second car I believe.

In my IX I put down 305/300 at AMS in april 2006. Basically 3" TBE, filter, LICP and tune.

I added an MBC, AMS FMIC, changed my exhaust to a quieter axleback and got a retune - put down 311/321 in april 2007 with more under the curve.

A FMIC and MBC isn't going to get huge gains. I got the FMIC since I road-race and was sick of seeing massive heatsoak after 2 laps!

 

AMS stands bye all there products, you are putting down good numbers for what you have. If you have a problem with them you should call them and ask them first before you go bashing them for what they do. AMS built my car and going strong for the last year.

Thanks agian from AMS for the excellent job that they do and will continue to do as long as there around!!!!!!

 

You guys are hampering on this poor guy and all he is doing is relaying his experience.. I personally think he doesn't write very well so it's not understood exactly what he is complaining about. Let me clarify.

Although 306whp isn't what he expected he isn't upset about it entirely.. What he is upset is that he got another shop to put back the base stock tune and he feels the car made the exact same horsepower.

So in essence he is only complaining about his tune, he feels the ecu map numbers configured in his ams tune are exactly the same as the base tune he received from another shop. Which confirms to him he hasn't really gotten the tune that he paid for.

I hope this clarifies his complaint as it is a valid complaint. And I as well as other would like to understand more on what exactly happened.

Everyone knows AMS makes good quality parts, this complaint is specifically towards the TUNE.... I'd like to see AMS chime in on this and possibly help this guy out and either explain the reason's for the same whp between a custom tune and a base tune.

 

If the tune was good to begin with, how much changing would it need?

If you bring a perfectly tuned car to AMS to get tuned, you cant really expect the tune to change can you?

A boost controller will not change the tune unless the boost response or level has changed.

A front mount intercooler will not change the tune unless there was a large restriction in the old intercooler setup.

 

It seems by your post that you have direct knowledge concerning the OP and his car and and the HP it has made. I cant tell by the original post where his original dyno numbers came from. Was this on the AMS dyno?

 

We'd love to chime in, but we need more facts.

Custom tune and base tune?, the customer stated that he is on a U-Tec, we do not have base tunes for a U-Tec.

As everyone else has stated, an upgraded FMIC at his horsepower level really wont make anymore horsepower. It will however prevent heat soak.

How many times was he tuned by us?

306whp is healthy power for an EVO 8 on stock cams!

The customer states that the car is running very rich, how is he coming to this conclusion? Is there a wideband in the car?

If you have an issue, please call us at your earliest convenience , we will get this figured out right away.

 

Well we just pulled the ticket and the dyno pulls. First of the work was done 3/8/07, not recently like you stated.
We recorded a total of 8 pulls, the first pull was a peak of 283 whp with the power dropping off badly up top (either rich or not enough timing). Each pull after that made more power with a peak at 312 whp. It does look like the 312whp pulled a little timing and then the power was in the 302-309whp range after the timing was reduced or A/F adjusted to keep it from pulling timing.

I'm a little confused with this one, we only tuned the car once and you're saying the car feels slow? or are you saying we didn't tune the car while it was here? Also how are you certain it's running rich? after 5 months of time was something changed or replaced and maybe a boost leak developed? Your post is a little hard to read but please either call us ASAP or just explain a little more on here so we can figure this out. If you have any issues or questions you have to ask us so we can help you.

 

look at the customer service ^^^

 

And now you know "the rest of the story".

 

Nope I don't know anything other than what the user posted, The whp that I mentioned was from his original post. I was simply just clarifying what the person was writing because I felt his questions weren't being directly answered and his concerns seemed valid.

If you notice I was being entirely neutral and was just clarifying his original post. I even included a statement that I would to hear AMS's stance on the subject since I felt you guys would be able to clarfiy the situation and your side of the story.

In no way am I trying to start a fight, I am simply a concerned Evo owner who likes to clarify posts and help people along.

If anything now after reading your response I think you've done a great job of clearing your name by providing more data and facts which by all means does wonders for your customer service and respect.

Good Job.

And I also agree 306 is a good number considering his mods, but that was his valid concern and it's nice to know this situation is now squashed. Personally I feel for the money he could have gotten more power out of other components but then again he does state he plans on going bigger. Only then will his injectors and intercooler shine through.

 

My boy laid down.. 315HP on a dyno jet on just Injen Intake with Upper intercooler piping.. his BOV is a SARD R2D2.. RS*R Turbo back and a tune by Jestr.. straight 92oct and no boost controller.. stock boost levels and no they were not modified.. his **** was logged at 19 peak and going down to 17psi.. lol

So with all those mods I say his car is weak or his tune is off..