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Originally Posted by fromWRXtoEVO
^^^ I might have to disagree with you on the elevation issue my friend. I raced in many tracks not just around the country but also in Europe. Track elevation is one of the biggest factor.
I know what you mean but every time I take the Evos to Phoenix I typically run .2-.3 sec quicker and also 2-3 miles faster. I ran my Honda civic in San Antonio at SAR and ran .5sec faster with much lesser mods, the 2300ft elevation difference made the car much faster.
Let me ask you a question, why do you think that in the history of AZ and since the Evo 8 and Evo 9 were launched there is no a single car except one that ran 11's on stock turbo? running a car in AZ is very difficult and that is why we haven't seen cars in the 11's.
Seriously, how much faster do you think he can get in the 1/8th of mile?an extra MPH. Only people that ran their cars in AZ are certain of what the capabilities are here, from anywhere around the country we seem to run slow.
Even people that dumped $45000 on their Evos and ran low 11's once(topnotchevo).
You wrote:
We all know that if you are running that much boost on race gas/alky/meth will taper instantly after hitting peak, but the other people running setups like that are trapping AT LEAST 114(+++).
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Who?, can you tell me just one person running 114MPH in AZ with stock turbo? Yeah, off course people are running 114MPH with similar setup but in the east coast and other parts of the country.
You wrote:
He trapped 88mph in the 1/8th and only gained 19.5mph in the back half while running race gas and a peak of 31psi of boost.
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I am a great supporter of Mike, he is a cool guy and he has tons of experience, believe me, he is trying very hard to get his times improved and is not that easy. Unlike others, Mike goes to the track very often and one of the reasons is to improve in all aspects (shifting,reaction time and generally to get better). Remember, this is no his first Evo.
Honestly, if you think his 1/8 mile traps are low, then my question is: what type of trap speeds are you expecting for him on his 1/8 mile/1/4 mile?
Carlos
I know what you mean but every time I take the Evos to Phoenix I typically run .2-.3 sec quicker and also 2-3 miles faster. I ran my Honda civic in San Antonio at SAR and ran .5sec faster with much lesser mods, the 2300ft elevation difference made the car much faster.
Let me ask you a question, why do you think that in the history of AZ and since the Evo 8 and Evo 9 were launched there is no a single car except one that ran 11's on stock turbo? running a car in AZ is very difficult and that is why we haven't seen cars in the 11's.
Seriously, how much faster do you think he can get in the 1/8th of mile?an extra MPH. Only people that ran their cars in AZ are certain of what the capabilities are here, from anywhere around the country we seem to run slow.
Even people that dumped $45000 on their Evos and ran low 11's once(topnotchevo).
You wrote:
We all know that if you are running that much boost on race gas/alky/meth will taper instantly after hitting peak, but the other people running setups like that are trapping AT LEAST 114(+++).
__________________________________________________ ______
Who?, can you tell me just one person running 114MPH in AZ with stock turbo? Yeah, off course people are running 114MPH with similar setup but in the east coast and other parts of the country.
You wrote:
He trapped 88mph in the 1/8th and only gained 19.5mph in the back half while running race gas and a peak of 31psi of boost.
__________________________________________________ ________
I am a great supporter of Mike, he is a cool guy and he has tons of experience, believe me, he is trying very hard to get his times improved and is not that easy. Unlike others, Mike goes to the track very often and one of the reasons is to improve in all aspects (shifting,reaction time and generally to get better). Remember, this is no his first Evo.
Honestly, if you think his 1/8 mile traps are low, then my question is: what type of trap speeds are you expecting for him on his 1/8 mile/1/4 mile?
Carlos
Saywhen,
Congrats on your times, 11's under those conditions and stock turbo is absolutely excellent.
As I mentioned before only one car ever ran in the 11's on stock turbo and that was a 11.99 on a Evo 9 from Mynes on 104oct and tune for 104oct.
Until someone else hit that 11.99 of Mynes they have all the right to talk smack all day long because they earned the 11.99 s with excellent driving. Otherwise Dyno numbers and kill histories are miningless until proven at SIR(Tucson)/Firebird(Phoenix).
As fars is corvettes and Vipers, well, the C5 vettes run mid 14s to low 15s stock. They can run mid 13's with the typical mods(cat back,chip cam,air filter)
I only seen one C6 Z06 which ran 12.3-12.5's and trapped 113-117mph on drag radials here at Tucson.
The stock c5 Z06 typically run low to high 13's here at SIR and the Mustang Cobras run also in the 13's ocasionally one hit high 12's stock but very rare.
Stock Evo 8-9 run here around 14 flat and with TB, CAI,MBC might put you on low to 13's to high 12's.
WRXs run here always high 14's to mid 16's stock or with some mods.
I truly devote my time to annotate peoples times and mods and I also record on video and take pictures of people's run. For the most part I typically know about 30-40% of all the people that bring their rides to the local track.
Carlos
Congrats on your times, 11's under those conditions and stock turbo is absolutely excellent.
As I mentioned before only one car ever ran in the 11's on stock turbo and that was a 11.99 on a Evo 9 from Mynes on 104oct and tune for 104oct.
Until someone else hit that 11.99 of Mynes they have all the right to talk smack all day long because they earned the 11.99 s with excellent driving. Otherwise Dyno numbers and kill histories are miningless until proven at SIR(Tucson)/Firebird(Phoenix).
As fars is corvettes and Vipers, well, the C5 vettes run mid 14s to low 15s stock. They can run mid 13's with the typical mods(cat back,chip cam,air filter)
I only seen one C6 Z06 which ran 12.3-12.5's and trapped 113-117mph on drag radials here at Tucson.
The stock c5 Z06 typically run low to high 13's here at SIR and the Mustang Cobras run also in the 13's ocasionally one hit high 12's stock but very rare.
Stock Evo 8-9 run here around 14 flat and with TB, CAI,MBC might put you on low to 13's to high 12's.
WRXs run here always high 14's to mid 16's stock or with some mods.
I truly devote my time to annotate peoples times and mods and I also record on video and take pictures of people's run. For the most part I typically know about 30-40% of all the people that bring their rides to the local track.
Carlos
Last edited by fromWRXtoEVO; Sep 10, 2006 at 03:37 PM.
I think the AVC-R is off, there is no way that you hit 8300 on the big end unless you were on 255's (stock would be 117 big end at 8300, and 275's like me is 119). Something that these guys arent taking in to account is its not just altitude and heat, there is lower oxygen in a desert compared to somewhere thats same temp/conditions and has LOTS of vegetation. The last time I was in eastern WA (similar conditions to Firebird from what I can tell) and ran, I managed a best of 12.66 @ 109.1 on pump with a 1.77 60'. Elevation was 920 feet, temp was 90ish. Running at Seattle I ran a 12.21 @ 111.6 on pump with a 1.73.
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Carlos,
thanks for the kind words. I try. I have ran the IX at firebird 18 times and never hit 13s. 12.8 on pump and best 12.2 on 104. But the 104 has always had 2 to 3 gal of 91 mixed in because i live so far away from the track. So more or less its about half and half.
Everyone else.
Also something to remember about phoenix is we are in a huge valley. It most certaintly does not help. When i left the track last night at 130 am it was about 85 degrees. When i arrived home, about 50 miles away at the very end of the valley, it was 67 degrees and that was at about 230. The car drives totally different just between that hour of driving.
About the avcr, i do think it is not setup right but i tried my best. Although i dont think it is the best for me so i am going with a manual with a stiffer spring. This has been proven here to hold boost better.
thanks for the kind words. I try. I have ran the IX at firebird 18 times and never hit 13s. 12.8 on pump and best 12.2 on 104. But the 104 has always had 2 to 3 gal of 91 mixed in because i live so far away from the track. So more or less its about half and half.
Everyone else.
Also something to remember about phoenix is we are in a huge valley. It most certaintly does not help. When i left the track last night at 130 am it was about 85 degrees. When i arrived home, about 50 miles away at the very end of the valley, it was 67 degrees and that was at about 230. The car drives totally different just between that hour of driving.
About the avcr, i do think it is not setup right but i tried my best. Although i dont think it is the best for me so i am going with a manual with a stiffer spring. This has been proven here to hold boost better.
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As of now i am on the stock rims and tires. Would 18s make a difference in top end compared to the 17s.
I also heard that alignment could prevent high trap speeds. I have 6000 miles on my car and already the insides of the fron tires were worn down bald almost.
I also heard that alignment could prevent high trap speeds. I have 6000 miles on my car and already the insides of the fron tires were worn down bald almost.
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Originally Posted by fromWRXtoEVO
^^^ I might have to disagree with you on the elevation issue my friend. I raced in many tracks not just around the country but also in Europe. Track elevation is one of the biggest factor.
I know what you mean but every time I take the Evos to Phoenix I typically run .2-.3 sec quicker and also 2-3 miles faster. I ran my Honda civic in San Antonio at SAR and ran .5sec faster with much lesser mods, the 2300ft elevation difference made the car much faster.
Let me ask you a question, why do you think that in the history of AZ and since the Evo 8 and Evo 9 were launched there is no a single car except one that ran 11's on stock turbo? running a car in AZ is very difficult and that is why we haven't seen cars in the 11's.
Seriously, how much faster do you think he can get in the 1/8th of mile?an extra MPH. Only people that ran their cars in AZ are certain of what the capabilities are here, from anywhere around the country we seem to run slow.
Even people that dumped $45000 on their Evos and ran low 11's once(topnotchevo).
You wrote:
We all know that if you are running that much boost on race gas/alky/meth will taper instantly after hitting peak, but the other people running setups like that are trapping AT LEAST 114(+++).
__________________________________________________ ______
Who?, can you tell me just one person running 114MPH in AZ with stock turbo? Yeah, off course people are running 114MPH with similar setup but in the east coast and other parts of the country.
You wrote:
He trapped 88mph in the 1/8th and only gained 19.5mph in the back half while running race gas and a peak of 31psi of boost.
__________________________________________________ ________
I am a great supporter of Mike, he is a cool guy and he has tons of experience, believe me, he is trying very hard to get his times improved and is not that easy. Unlike others, Mike goes to the track very often and one of the reasons is to improve in all aspects (shifting,reaction time and generally to get better). Remember, this is no his first Evo.
Honestly, if you think his 1/8 mile traps are low, then my question is: what type of trap speeds are you expecting for him on his 1/8 mile/1/4 mile?
Carlos
I know what you mean but every time I take the Evos to Phoenix I typically run .2-.3 sec quicker and also 2-3 miles faster. I ran my Honda civic in San Antonio at SAR and ran .5sec faster with much lesser mods, the 2300ft elevation difference made the car much faster.
Let me ask you a question, why do you think that in the history of AZ and since the Evo 8 and Evo 9 were launched there is no a single car except one that ran 11's on stock turbo? running a car in AZ is very difficult and that is why we haven't seen cars in the 11's.
Seriously, how much faster do you think he can get in the 1/8th of mile?an extra MPH. Only people that ran their cars in AZ are certain of what the capabilities are here, from anywhere around the country we seem to run slow.
Even people that dumped $45000 on their Evos and ran low 11's once(topnotchevo).
You wrote:
We all know that if you are running that much boost on race gas/alky/meth will taper instantly after hitting peak, but the other people running setups like that are trapping AT LEAST 114(+++).
__________________________________________________ ______
Who?, can you tell me just one person running 114MPH in AZ with stock turbo? Yeah, off course people are running 114MPH with similar setup but in the east coast and other parts of the country.
You wrote:
He trapped 88mph in the 1/8th and only gained 19.5mph in the back half while running race gas and a peak of 31psi of boost.
__________________________________________________ ________
I am a great supporter of Mike, he is a cool guy and he has tons of experience, believe me, he is trying very hard to get his times improved and is not that easy. Unlike others, Mike goes to the track very often and one of the reasons is to improve in all aspects (shifting,reaction time and generally to get better). Remember, this is no his first Evo.
Honestly, if you think his 1/8 mile traps are low, then my question is: what type of trap speeds are you expecting for him on his 1/8 mile/1/4 mile?
Carlos
Elevation is a big factor, but you are only at 1250ft. If you took that last run, at sea level it would be a 12.0 @ just under 110mph. Youd be looking at gaining 1.5mph so like I said before, its not that big of a deal and definitely won't make or break your times.
Also, if you read what I posted earlier, you'd realize I didn't say his 1/8th MPH was slow. I said it was fast. The problem is that he has a super slow back 1/8th compared to his fast first 1/8th. If you think that gaining 19.5mph in the back half after trapping 88 in the 1/8th makes sense you've got some reading to .
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Who?, can you tell me just one person running 114MPH in AZ with stock turbo? Yeah, off course people are running 114MPH with similar setup but in the east coast and other parts of the country.
I never said someone in AZ. There are MANY people that are running 115-120mph with the stock turbo. I really could care less to search for peoples username to prove this, but if you read the board you should know this. Go take a look at the NHRA elevation correction chart and you'll realize that 1250ft really isn't that big of a deal. at about 7000ft though, you'd be looking at losing 20% of your power.
I understand you are backing up Mike, but you need to understand that I am trying to help Mike with my constructive criticism. With his mod list and time slips I can tell THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG. He should not be going that slow in the back half and I imagine its because of knock and either is switching to the low octane map, or pulling a lot of timing.
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Boltz, are you missing where he says he was shifting to 5th on some of these. On the 108mph run, he missed 5th...
His description still says it was a slow shift to 5th. I've dealt with having to shift to 5th, and it sucks. I only trap 108-109 with cams, alky, header, o2, etc etc up here at 6000' but in nice 55-60* weather, and that's with having to shift to 5th before the 1000' mark due to power dropoff above 6000rpm. I used to trap 112-113 back in VA before the cams, alky, header, o2, wga, and custom flash.
Boltz have you ever been to AZ, let alone race your car there? Carlos stated that he knows people are trapping faster on the stocker. elevation isnt the only factor here. and you say you know he is only peaking at 31 lbs but you keep talking like he's holding it for a few seconds.
AZ EVO, nice times and good luck getting into the 11's!
I'm trying to convince carlos to come out for the WRX / Evo shootout next year, you tucson guys should all come!
AZ EVO, nice times and good luck getting into the 11's!
I'm trying to convince carlos to come out for the WRX / Evo shootout next year, you tucson guys should all come!
^Yea I have been to AZ thanks.
Do you think anyone on the stock turbo is holding 31psi? Where did I ever say anything like that?
If you force the turbo to HOLD 31 psi, the turbo will not make anything more than a load of hot air. Go look at all the guys running alky/meth. They run huge boost spike which gives them massive torque, of course the turbo tapers, but they are still making big power.
Heres a guy running at the same track with less boost, and pump gas
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...oenix+firebird
hes gaining 23.5mph in the back half.
heres another guy, (not in AZ) but he IS trapping 88 in the 1/8th and continues to pick up another 27mph in the back half of the track.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ht=stock+turbo
Maybe it took him 2 seconds to switch into 5th
Do you think anyone on the stock turbo is holding 31psi? Where did I ever say anything like that?
If you force the turbo to HOLD 31 psi, the turbo will not make anything more than a load of hot air. Go look at all the guys running alky/meth. They run huge boost spike which gives them massive torque, of course the turbo tapers, but they are still making big power.
Heres a guy running at the same track with less boost, and pump gas
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...oenix+firebird
hes gaining 23.5mph in the back half.
heres another guy, (not in AZ) but he IS trapping 88 in the 1/8th and continues to pick up another 27mph in the back half of the track.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ht=stock+turbo
Maybe it took him 2 seconds to switch into 5th
you're welcome 
i didnt say you said he was holding 31 but when you say "an evo 9 with BPU/31psi/race gas" it seems you are implying that. the first link the guy is .25 behind @60 which is why he gained more on the back half i would think (and is - 6mph half) and the second one, 115 seems high for a 12.2 dont ya think? and he is gonna run faster in maryland anyway. 5 is probably the slowest to get into and he stated "slow shift" into it. i dunno, i thought the runs were pretty good but i havent run mine yet but have been there numerious times with Carlos
i didnt say you said he was holding 31 but when you say "an evo 9 with BPU/31psi/race gas" it seems you are implying that. the first link the guy is .25 behind @60 which is why he gained more on the back half i would think (and is - 6mph half) and the second one, 115 seems high for a 12.2 dont ya think? and he is gonna run faster in maryland anyway. 5 is probably the slowest to get into and he stated "slow shift" into it. i dunno, i thought the runs were pretty good but i havent run mine yet but have been there numerious times with Carlos
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i know i can improve the fifth gear shift and that was defintly the cause of the lower trap speeds.
Last friday at the track i ran about 6 times, never shifting out of fourth, and trapped 110 to 112 all night.
It also seems like firebird is a slow track. The elevation is not that high but the air here sucks. We are stuck in the middle of the valley with very high temps every night except the one or two winter track night friday.
Carlos and I are the only two Evos at that track running low 12s. In the last couple months there has been nothing close to it. There is an few high 12s but most are 13 all day. We have even seen people running consistent 14 and 15 sec passes, of course due to hopefully driver error.
I have messed with boost settings at the track varing from lower to higher but nothing seems to make a difference with the avcr. That is why i plan on going with the manual to get a more stable boost. The spiking 31psi was how i got the high tq on the dyno. Is was actually close to 32.
Last friday at the track i ran about 6 times, never shifting out of fourth, and trapped 110 to 112 all night.
It also seems like firebird is a slow track. The elevation is not that high but the air here sucks. We are stuck in the middle of the valley with very high temps every night except the one or two winter track night friday.
Carlos and I are the only two Evos at that track running low 12s. In the last couple months there has been nothing close to it. There is an few high 12s but most are 13 all day. We have even seen people running consistent 14 and 15 sec passes, of course due to hopefully driver error.
I have messed with boost settings at the track varing from lower to higher but nothing seems to make a difference with the avcr. That is why i plan on going with the manual to get a more stable boost. The spiking 31psi was how i got the high tq on the dyno. Is was actually close to 32.
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Thank you everybody for you opinions. I would like to be in the 11s on stock turbo and think i am very cabable of doing so. So of course if i am doing something wrong or something with the car sounds wierd i would like you opinion. This is not a post for bragging about my time because i dont think it is that great but merely to get opinions on what to do to go faster.