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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 09:26 AM
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thats what I'm saying. Jeff was running 26-28psi and ran those times. no way in hell a VIII turbo is trapping 119 on 22psi regardless if its on 93, 100, c16 or VP unless the car is seriously lightweight.

as another example on 98octain in my GT35r I trap 119 @ 22psi!
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 09:36 AM
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You only gain 25 in the back half on a nearly stock Evo if you're weak on the front 1/8th. There's no reason for you to be surprised about having huge gains in the back half with nitrous. The nitrous is doing all the work. Your car without nitrous is nothing special.
once again how you always state my car isnt special, i never said it was or was trying to imply that, i was giving my real world advise saying that i think its his shifting or his a/f ratio because that has been what ive seen with my car, but then you turn it into something else, im happy with my car, i dont need you to keep telling me its nothing special i dont bash your car or times even know mine went faster then yours?
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 10:11 AM
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It has nothing to do with his A/F ratio - that makes no sense. Also, we already told him it's his shifting, so you didn't add anything. All you said was that you gain 28 in the back half like it's normal, when it's not, and when you have to use nitrous to accomplish it.

Your car didn't go faster - you used a shot of nitrous. Anyone can do that on an Evo and pick up ~90whp with just a 50-shot. The rest of us don't need nitrous to go fast, so there is nothing for you to bash. In fact, you BARELY went faster with nitrous than I did without it and with only basic mods like yours...
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 10:58 AM
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It has nothing to do with his A/F ratio - that makes no sense. Also, we already told him it's his shifting, so you didn't add anything. All you said was that you gain 28 in the back half like it's normal, when it's not, and when you have to use nitrous to accomplish it.

Your car didn't go faster - you used a shot of nitrous. Anyone can do that on an Evo and pick up ~90whp with just a 50-shot. The rest of us don't need nitrous to go fast, so there is nothing for you to bash. In fact, you BARELY went faster with nitrous than I did without it and with only basic mods like yours...
im sorry i forgot that your ALWAYS right, i was just giving my input, and i dont want to keep going of topic and bashing people like you do every single day, ill just state that my passes are faster then yours period, no if ands or buts, you never ran an 11 yet and i already went faster then my last posted times, dosnt matter how you get there as long as you get there and im already there, so you go get some more mods or nitrous, run a faster time then me and ill just say well thats nothing special like you keep telling me, some people drive better and some just have faster cars, just because you didnt do it dosnt mean it cant be done or shouldnt be done, this evo is my toy and its also the slowest car ive ever owned but i love driving it, you can sit around and bash everyones times all you want, but it isnt gonna make you any faster, sorry to go off topic i know you will just keep going on about it, im done
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 06:13 PM
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It may be hard to believe but its is the truth, i have no reason to lie about anything. I only posted this to get feedback on how i can lower my et's. I had no intentions of causing an agrument.

I appreciate the feedback

thanks
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razlorlab- I ll be in the B group, see you there. So far it looks like were the only 2 evo drivers

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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 09:26 PM
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N problem. I think we're all jealous and wish our stock turbos could produce that much power so easily. What you're seeing at the track is unheard of and absolutely unbelievable, because it defies physcis for a 16g to make as much power as a GT35r at the same psi, becuase a GT35 pushes far, FAR more air at 22psi than a 16g, yet you are staying dead even. Who knows why, but you're doing it. I think some of what we're getting at is maybe you really aren't going as fast as the timers are saying, and if that were true, then your timeslip would make more sense. In my experience, the likelihood of you trapping 119 on 22psi with a conservative tune and no weight reduction is much lower than the chance of the timers being off. In fact, I have a video showing me trap 115.7, but none of my splits make any sense with a 115.7mph trap speed, because the times are identical to when I trapped 111.7 on a previous day at the same track. In my subsequent runs, I never hit higher than low 113s, so after doing some comparisons with other Evos there that day, we found out the left lane was showing at least 2mph higher than actual. Had I not known or cared, I would be claiming 115.7mph trap speeds on stock cams to this day...
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 11:39 PM
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you could be right on the timers.... I think its unlikely but a possability

I also ran three times in the right lane and twice in the left i hit 119 in each lane. Twice in the right once in the left.

Infenion isnt a crap whole drag strip in the middle of no where, its a NHRA santioned track. Infenion raceway is an extremely strict track, the wed night drags have to pass NHRA tech.

The funny part is its actually known as a slow track, i could go the Sacramento raceway and run 3-4 tenths quicker.

But who knows either way i am more than happy with my car and i ll shift a lilttle bit quicker next time around.

thanks again
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Old Oct 28, 2006 | 07:53 PM
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Josh,
Glad to see its all working well. Hope your track days are just as fun. Round up them ol chaps in their Porsche,s.

Cheers.

Paul Fisher
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Old Oct 28, 2006 | 07:57 PM
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Thanks Paul see you soon!!
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Old Oct 28, 2006 | 08:06 PM
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Let's say your car weighs 3250 with you in it. You ran an 11.88 @ 119= 383whp/427whp

Your e.t. says that your dyno'd hp is right on. However your mph seems to tell a different story. I would put money on there having been some form of timer error that night. 115mph traps seem to fit alot closer. I know the lack of a wing is worth a little bit, but I cant really see it being worth 4mph. What was your rpm out the back door? What size tire? What gear?
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Old Oct 28, 2006 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jbfoco

razlorlab- I ll be in the B group, see you there. So far it looks like were the only 2 evo drivers

See you out there, I will be in the instructor group. Come over and say hi, and I will do the same!
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Old Oct 29, 2006 | 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBradley
http://www.dsm.org/tools/calchp.htm

Let's say your car weighs 3250 with you in it. You ran an 11.88 @ 119= 383whp/427whp

Your e.t. says that your dyno'd hp is right on. However your mph seems to tell a different story. I would put money on there having been some form of timer error that night. 115mph traps seem to fit alot closer. I know the lack of a wing is worth a little bit, but I cant really see it being worth 4mph. What was your rpm out the back door? What size tire? What gear?
You can't rely on any calculator like that. Plus, dynos don't read the same...there are many different types, and he said he put down the same on this Dynapack as he did at the Gruppe-S Mustang Dyno, which is known to read quite low.
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Old Oct 29, 2006 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
N problem. I think we're all jealous and wish our stock turbos could produce that much power so easily. What you're seeing at the track is unheard of and absolutely unbelievable, because it defies physcis for a 16g to make as much power as a GT35r at the same psi, becuase a GT35 pushes far, FAR more air at 22psi than a 16g, yet you are staying dead even. Who knows why, but you're doing it. I think some of what we're getting at is maybe you really aren't going as fast as the timers are saying, and if that were true, then your timeslip would make more sense. In my experience, the likelihood of you trapping 119 on 22psi with a conservative tune and no weight reduction is much lower than the chance of the timers being off. In fact, I have a video showing me trap 115.7, but none of my splits make any sense with a 115.7mph trap speed, because the times are identical to when I trapped 111.7 on a previous day at the same track. In my subsequent runs, I never hit higher than low 113s, so after doing some comparisons with other Evos there that day, we found out the left lane was showing at least 2mph higher than actual. Had I not known or cared, I would be claiming 115.7mph trap speeds on stock cams to this day...
Warr, the timers are screwed up. Look at his time slips, the data shows they are screwed up. He runs a whole second faster yet his traps are the same. That right there shows a red flag.
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Old Oct 29, 2006 | 03:19 PM
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I gained 28mph in the backhalf on 93 octane and 23psi. I dont think gaining 29mph is THAT ludicrious. This guy did it with 1psi less boost but with 100oct.

The real question is actually how he is pulling out those numbers/119mph in general with 22psi of boost.
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Old Oct 29, 2006 | 04:09 PM
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when i had 320whp/200wtq i was consistantly running 114-115mph, running a 12.2 my 60's were normally a 1.7-1.8.

This was at the same track but was also at the start of the season months ago. Since then there have been countless point races and the NHRA Autolite Nationals i really doubt the timers are incorrect.
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