incorrect.. He was on a 16g stock 8 turbo.. it was nothing near fully gutted either.. the car was capabale of running any street sanctioned event for nopi or NHRA.. the big thing that helped him out was a built motor and ported head. he could rev the car high, and boost the **** out of it..

 

I think tires and weight are irrelevant when talking about stock turbo records. But using nitrous is a different category and should be stated as such.

 

It would be a neverending debate as to where you draw the line. This is why 9sec9 is having such a hard time sorting it out.

 

yeah, it's difficult at best. I now at least know what the mods were and what the times were based on which turbo and mods. There still exists the problem of a second power adder being used in the mix. Just as earlier post stated, his 10.84 time is on spray. That IS on stock turbo, but the second power adder is the kicker. That's why NHRA has so many classes. Most people only want to compare their car to similar modded cars. Keeping track of a few variations would not be a problem. Such as 'PURE STOCK TURBO', 'STOCK MODIFIED TURBO', 'STOCK TYPE TURBO (could actually be in the Modifed class), NON-STOCK TURBO 50-60 LB FLOW, NON-STOCK TURBO 60-70 LB FLOW, NON-STOCK 70+ LBS, then each of the above with Nitrous and each with Methanol Injection. Not much of a list to have to maintain. 20 records or so would be a snap. The problem is, 'Dare I say it', Racers have been habitually proven to be liars and cheaters. (Hence the name 'cheater gas' for nitrous several years ago). Keeping the records
'straight' in relation to the modifications would be the problem.

 

I agree. That falls into the category of 'run what ya brung, don't *****' Turbo's, strokers are a different story. Even stock ecu vs AEM isn't really that much different. The stock ecu was just behind the curve for a while, but it's eventually catching up for the most part.

 

So we can break it into:
Stock Turbo-EVO 9 Turbo,10.5 hotside is ok or any special variation of TD05 16G by Mitsu
Stock Style Turbo:Stock Turbo with 20G wheel
Nitrous-Using nitrous as power adder,as long as is Stock Turbo or stock style turbo is ok

 

I'm only making suggestions on how to categorize our Evo's, without leaning in favor of one or the other. Not everyone wants meth, but it's not fair to compare their accomplishments without meth, to those with meth. Same for a turbo, a modded turbo isn't 'STOCK' anymore, but it would be a 'Modified Stock Turbo'. I was only trying to find our goal to compare our car to the one that has the record, when I realized that I needed more information. It's obvious that many people had different times and mph for the same car and it's mods. Keeping a sticky somewhere and creating our own recognized categories would make life simpler for those trying to mod their car and comparing their times/mph. I think changes like VIII 4th gear in a IX will sort it's way out, but a IX turbo on an VIII is not stock for the VIII and should be recognized as having a IX turbo. That keeps it fair for the truly 'stock' turbo'd VIII's. I'm sure that many Evo owners would like to see what their car could do, within certain limitations. The way of doing that is keeping a reasonable number of modified or stock records, not just 1 or 2 catch-alls.

 

+1 I couldn't agree more

 

It would be too broken up. Gear ratios, mivec/non-mivec, 10.5cm2/9.8cm2. It starts to get ridiculous.

In the end it sounds like what you're searching for is a way to claim the record for your boy by catagorizing the Evos.

 

Your way off base. Read the thread. I've stated that the 20G-LT should NOT be considered stock. I've agreed on everything quite the opposite. I, as well as manyother's, just want to know what the record is. Who crapped in your oatmeal today? Learn to read, evaluate and then make statements. Show me one post that even remotely hinted toward your statement. Sounds like you might be trying to protect an unknown record. What is that record again? Grow up.

 

Also, by asking questions and talking to the people involved, I was able to establish that the record we would be going for is 10.58, not 10.89. Your false statements are exactly the reason I haven't gone to Florida for a tune. You stated to me that my tune would have KNOCK EVERYWHERE, etc. etc. I don't. You were wrong, but your bias is showing and there's no need in it. Since when was your single opinion an overriding factor to what others have already stated. Your bias should be subdued a little bit.

By the way, I'm not the one trying to claim a false record in my signature. Your 10.92 stock 16G in both mph and et are wrong. As proven earlier 10.59 beats 10.92. Who is it that really wants to claim a record? Sounds to me like you qualified your "RECORD" by stating 16G, stock ecu, etc. What category does yours fall into?
It sounds like your statement:
"In the end it sounds like what you're searching for is a way to claim the record for your boy by catagorizing the Evos"
only works if it's not you doing the categorizing. Why did you create the signature with
USDM (categorized), Fastes Evo (your claim, proven wrong), Stock Ecu (categorized), 16G (categorized)
Why is 'categorizing' a 20G-LT different than saying 16G? Why say STOCK ECU if you're not trying to make a place for something other than AEM. You started the categorizing long before me. I personally just chose to disregard your accomplishments, if they exist, and recognize Curt Brown's, David Buschurs and those who also have run stock turbos, but just faster and quicker than yours.

 

Out of curiousity. What are the MPH records for stock turbo and 20glt? I'd like to know what of these were on stock longblock and ecu too.

 

The claim is in the sig. There is no need to qualify any other data regarding what ECU, tires, air temp, barometric reading, tailwind or anything else.

Last time I checked, 129.94mph was faster than 127 or 128mph.

I have no idea what you are referring to regarding a tune.

We gave you free MIVEC mapping with no strings attached, I don't know what else you are referring to, nor do they have a place in this thread.

 

Read your signature. You DID categorize your run with the ECU and Turbo. Yes , you did send me your mivec maps, I looked at them and used a modified version of them, and for that I appreciate your help. As for my looking for a record for my son, our accomplishments will stand on their own. I've clearly stated what we had and why I needed further information. So much so, that I sent Curt a PM to let him know what and why I was seeking further information. He called me on my cell and was more than helpful. I achieved what I was after, more information to know how to set our goals. Plain and simple, now, back to your oatmeal.

 

Do you not remember telling me how bad my tune was and it HAD to be knocking everywhere? Back to the point, you are the only one in this thread that mentioned Barometric pressure and other variables to a tune. The subject was stock vs stock type turbos and their respective records. Try to keep it on that and stop any personal bias. It's not becoming of you.