Hey Mike... Is there anywhere online that states the rules for Turbo Street? My car was actually prepared to compete in that class but that was three years ago. If my car is still legal, I might try to make it out to an event and see how it does.

Edit... Never mind.. found the rules. My turbo and tires are too big for Turbo Street. Oh well...

 

Only things that might limit you is turbo and tire size..not sure what kind of tranny you have either.. check out the rules below..

http://www.nhra.com/tech_specs/sport...C_Rulebook.pdf

 

Thanks.. I found them. Yeah.. 4202 turbo and 28 x 10.5 tires ruin it for me.

Nissan 4spd AT trans so thats legit.

 

Thanks for including me in the list on non insulters

Since I started the thread, I can honestly say that I had no intention to have a "hidden agenda" My question was a straight forward one and I am glad that we have a lot of frank discussion on the topic at hand which was the issue of an aero device tricking the beams.

A lot of old school drag racers know about this topic and I wanted to address it in general, not aimed at anyone in particular.

There is no doubt that looking at the photo of Brandon's car is what started me thinking again on this subject but my question was not directed at attacking him.

Simply put, a huge air dam riding the pavement would be a significant aero aide and also it pay possibly be a timing aide as well. Before I embark on fabricating such a device and figuring out how to get the car on and off trailers, lifts and dynos with it in place I wanted to see what people think about it.

I am gald that this subject has sparked such interest in the drag racing section. However, it is regrtable some of the insulting that has taken place.

I try to keep my nose clean of insults and personal attacks as I dont like warning points.

AL

 

I think some of you have a very closed mind.

The only point of my bringing up the NHRA rules is the fact that it is a proven fact that having the front of the car too low will mess with the timers. I think we can all agree that if someone runs a record ET or MPH we ALL want that time to be legit. I could care less if someone has a cage, damper, harnesses, helmet, short on, tshirt, tank top, two flat tires, no driveshaft loop, tranny blanket, scatter shield or a condom on their head. I don't care as long as the ET was set legit without some type of timing light manipulation. If some of you open your mind long enough I think you can agree that manipulation of the timers is not right, that is the point of this thread and my other thread showing how easily it is done.

I have already stated that I think Brandon's times are legit if he cut off some of that front air dam. Even if he tripped the timers with the nose the weight transfer from the launch should have picked the nose right up and out of the beams. So I am not accusing him of anything and went out of my way to provide all the facts of how something like this works.

As for being legal. Our black car is 100% legal for NHRA/IHRA, scatter shield, damper, roll cage, driveshaft loop, catch can, grounding strap on fuel cell, seat belts, seat, window net, seat mounts etc., etc., It is a race car and we treat it as such.

My RS on the other hand has non of that and it never will. The day I have to ruin the car because I can't run anymore is the day it will become a street raced/driven car only. We have been installing a lot of roll bars/cages lately in customer cars. Probably 4-5 in the last 2 months. I was going to do my RS. After climbing in and out of these other cars on the dyno while tuning them there is no way in hell I ever want to tolerate that PITA again. I've built cars with cages in the past for the street for myself and would not do it again. First off having a roll cage in a street car is much more dangerous than racing it on the track without it. Remember my car still has all the steel in it, factory door beams, seat belts, air bags. I am confident in it and so is Trent. It's pretty damn hard to wreck an AWD drag car. I had over 700 passes in my old 1G DSM that John has now. John probably has 2,000 passes in it and has gone 7.70 at 191, no wrecks.

BTW, the 240 isn't welcome at the DSM Shootout, it's a Mitsubishi race.

 

Dam, that LT1 got you off the line..but you did a VERY GOOD job of saving it at the end of the track..what exactly happen there?

 

Just who do you think you are asking Brandon to cut anything off his car? So you can validate his timeslip? What are you some kind of tech inspector now that you got beat? He has nothing to prove to you.


How about this? Why don't you cut off your mustache and I'll validate you as someone who lives in the new millenium?

 

Yes, but who is one person to say what NHRA rules need to be fallowed and witch ones don't. It is ether go by there rules or don't. Picking and choosing what rules you want to fallow discredits your point.

 

Yeah. The Formula runs a TH400 with a trans brake. I was launching off a foot brake.

Somebody broke in my lane a few runs before me and they did not get things cleaned up well enough. Antifreeze on the track and 850 whp just dont mix well. He won the race by .008 seconds and took my money. This was in 2006.

We had a rematch last year and here is the results. I think you will see my car leaves a bit harder

View Video on FQuick

 

ineedof, I know trying to discuss this with you is pointless because you hate me but I will attempt it anyway, but I feel you are not reading what I am typing either.

The point of this 1 rule is NHRA and IHRA has set it in place for one purpose only, to insure that everyone's times are legit. They even have had to use a guard beam in the past to keep people from cheating from being too low in the front. I am not picking or chosing NHRA rules, I am simply stating that anything lower can effect the timers and for that one reason so we can all be sure that times are actually legit and set with the front tire of the car tripping all the beams that that one rule should be enforced.

I'll also point out that the DSM/EVO Shootout is the largest Mitsu race and one of the reasons why is people know they can come there and run under lose rules, for some this is the only event of the year that allows that. I am certainly the last person to point fingers or worry about someone else's car as far as being "legal". I do want to make sure the guy in the other lane (so to speak) is not cheating by messing with the timers. Do you see that or not?

Would you like me to go to the track and stand with my foot in the stage beam and then lift my foot after our car is out 20 feet? No of course you wouldn't, that is cheating the timers. Could I do that? Hell yes, we run at a lot of track rentals with no witnesses or track personal. Would I do it? Hell no. No matter how fast or slow our cars are I want the times to be legit.

It would be quite easy for me to have kept my mouth shut about this, stayed out of the threads. Put that piece of plastic on our black car and went to the track and run it. With the new rear end and that piece a 1.20 sixty foot would have looked legit and so would the 8.40 ET. I could have said nothing and tested nothing. I am not that kind of guy. I tested this and showed it is a problem so ALL OF US are aware of it.

I think if you take a step back from the hate and think about it you will agree, if not, oh well, maybe a 6' long piece of plastic is in my future and the rest of ours. I can sell a kit to knock off .50 seconds for $75. Anyone want to order one?

See how stupid NOT regulating this is?

 

Nice Kill 240.

 

You and Al seem to be the ones with the closed minds. Why do you keep insisting that we believe anyone is going to stage or allow a car to stage with their bumper instead of the front tire? Do they let you stage your car with the bumper at your track or something? I dont understand....

For any of your theories about a bumper being used to cheat, the car would have to be staged on the bumper. Well except for the low slung undertray cheating device that your now selling

 

I want to qualify what I'm saying. I go to the track all the time and I see alot of cars that have difficulty staging properly because of the types of wheels they have and drivers that dont know what they are doing and of course tire smoke. Even so, it always gets worked out so the car stages on the tires.

As far as your motives and whether this was directed at Brandon. This entire mess started with Al questioning a picture of Brandon's bumper and wondering what the effects would be if it was used to stage the car. And then you do your testing and title your thread 'How to cheat and set a record' of all things. All alledgedly hypothetical but cleverly effective at casting doubt on Brandon's results.

 

Very nice save Ivan!
I have had the same happened at the same point on a run for the very same reason. Coolant under the tires at the top end of a track is not something I would wish anyone to experience.

 

If you step back and take a look at my posts from the last week, i have defended you about rear end, everyone on here also knows about the front lip, we all understand it. What you are not looking at is the front lip thread got started as a way to discredit someones time, when in the thread they had all ready stated that it was not run at the track like it was in the picture.

So really my only point i have to make to you (because we all ready know that cheating is bad, this is nothing new to anyone that has been around drag racing) is don't bring up a set of rules that you don't even fallow, it just makes you look bad.