No Excuses rules discussion - I have a question
i didnt read this whole thread .. but i have one question.... How do you figure i am running nitrous in my car???
and again like i said if you have any questions feel free to ask me dont accuse... im not looking to hide anything. just ask and ill tell. very simple.
Brandon.
and again like i said if you have any questions feel free to ask me dont accuse... im not looking to hide anything. just ask and ill tell. very simple.
Brandon.
To the people saying they are not trying to cause a seed of doubt to Brandons pass by "out of the blue" posting these ways of cheating is quite laughable and honestly a assault of the intelligence on the members that read these forums. The timing of the posts and there content are just way to leading. No one now should be questioning the possibilites of being able to cheat the timing system and I believe no one is now doing that. What really is disheartening is the respected members/vendors of this site, who are considered to be well respected, are the first to post this type of content immediately following a passing of the guard so to say. No one jumps all over AMS, Buschur or anyone else when they make a fast pass why now does the fact of being able to cheat the timing system come out now? Why does when a measurement of the front bumper is made it is brushed off and a matter of trust comes up? Why isn't AMS in this thread raising the same questions certain vendors are since they are thick in the quickest ET race as well? To me it is truly dissapointing to see the way people act when a record is set and not by the norm of shop. If the logic of the accusers is true for all then all their runs should be thrown out of the window because from what I have seen AMS's, Buschurs and many other cars are pretty low and need to be qualified to make sure this is not happening with other cars as well. And btw their word and/or picture is not good enough because others only trust a certain, small group of people too.
Really people, come on. Everyone gives a certain amount of trust to these shops when they run the times they do, why the sudden onslaught of doubt? Shake the mans hand, verbal congrats is all that should have been done.....period.
Just my 2 cents.
Really people, come on. Everyone gives a certain amount of trust to these shops when they run the times they do, why the sudden onslaught of doubt? Shake the mans hand, verbal congrats is all that should have been done.....period.
Just my 2 cents.
Just who do you think you are asking Brandon to cut anything off his car? So you can validate his timeslip? What are you some kind of tech inspector now that you got beat? He has nothing to prove to you.
How about this? Why don't you cut off your mustache and I'll validate you as someone who lives in the new millenium?
How about this? Why don't you cut off your mustache and I'll validate you as someone who lives in the new millenium?
I think david should put an identical splitter on his car and run faster times, much easier than brandon taking his off for no good reason....
Maybe/Maybe not? IF your car has holes blocked on the front, stripped to a large degree, I dont see the issue with some aero aids, the evo isn't exactly a tear drop through the air.
Scorke
To the people saying they are not trying to cause a seed of doubt to Brandons pass by "out of the blue" posting these ways of cheating is quite laughable and honestly a assault of the intelligence on the members that read these forums. The timing of the posts and there content are just way to leading. No one now should be questioning the possibilites of being able to cheat the timing system and I believe no one is now doing that. What really is disheartening is the respected members/vendors of this site, who are considered to be well respected, are the first to post this type of content immediately following a passing of the guard so to say. No one jumps all over AMS, Buschur or anyone else when they make a fast pass why now does the fact of being able to cheat the timing system come out now? Why does when a measurement of the front bumper is made it is brushed off and a matter of trust comes up? Why isn't AMS in this thread raising the same questions certain vendors are since they are thick in the quickest ET race as well? To me it is truly dissapointing to see the way people act when a record is set and not by the norm of shop. If the logic of the accusers is true for all then all their runs should be thrown out of the window because from what I have seen AMS's, Buschurs and many other cars are pretty low and need to be qualified to make sure this is not happening with other cars as well. And btw their word and/or picture is not good enough because others only trust a certain, small group of people too.
Really people, come on. Everyone gives a certain amount of trust to these shops when they run the times they do, why the sudden onslaught of doubt? Shake the mans hand, verbal congrats is all that should have been done.....period.
Just my 2 cents.
Really people, come on. Everyone gives a certain amount of trust to these shops when they run the times they do, why the sudden onslaught of doubt? Shake the mans hand, verbal congrats is all that should have been done.....period.
Just my 2 cents.
I also think I understand what David is saying or trying to say - I think he believes the trap speed doesnt support the ET, and he's trying to provide an explanation for the phenomenal 60ft, low ET, low trap speed - The problem with his explanation is that it's not plausable and it directly accuses Brandon and TurboTrix of intentional cheating. David, time will tell if this is a 1 pass wonder or if it's the real deal.
TurboTrix also offered a plausable explanation early in this discussion (head lifting reducing power up top). The 60ft is not impossible just evidence of a damn good driver.
A REAL test of the aero aid used as a cheating device would be to stage a car on the bumper and then the tires and see what the difference is. It sounds like this was tried and it did not give desired results (actually decreasing performance). So then they tried dragging a 6' low slung piece of plastic under the car and were able to get 'desired' results with their umm...testing. Brandon's bumper is not 6' long. I think that people are using the aero aids as an aero aid, not a cheating device.
Last edited by Mr. Evo IX; Jun 1, 2008 at 08:24 AM. Reason: changed wording to reflect my opinon on cheating explanation.
Exactly and I agree 100%.
I also think I understand what David is saying or trying to say - I think he believes the trap speed doesnt support the ET, and he's trying to provide an explanation for the phenomenal 60ft, low ET, low trap speed - The problem with his explanation is that it directly accuses Brandon and TurboTrix of intentional cheating. David, time will tell if this is a 1 pass wonder or if it's the real deal.
I also think I understand what David is saying or trying to say - I think he believes the trap speed doesnt support the ET, and he's trying to provide an explanation for the phenomenal 60ft, low ET, low trap speed - The problem with his explanation is that it directly accuses Brandon and TurboTrix of intentional cheating. David, time will tell if this is a 1 pass wonder or if it's the real deal.
. All I am saying if you are going to accuse someone of cheating and/or even if it is not cheating or something theyy might have not known that could have caused this, stand up like a man and say it.
There is another explanation that tops all the rest IMO.
Someone built a car with the correct combination. Power, weight, traction, driver, and got results. Maybe 1000+whp 170mph trapspeeds are overpowering traction and resulting in lower ET's.
This is of course the most obvious explanation.
Someone built a car with the correct combination. Power, weight, traction, driver, and got results. Maybe 1000+whp 170mph trapspeeds are overpowering traction and resulting in lower ET's.
This is of course the most obvious explanation.
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Very true, and in response to someones post. In order for someone to " stand up like a man and come out and flat out accuse brandon of cheating", you are missing one part of that equation.
Buschur, is not a man. Therefore that could never happen.
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Very true, and in response to someones post. In order for someone to " stand up like a man and come out and flat out accuse brandon of cheating", you are missing one part of that equation.
Buschur, is not a man. Therefore that could never happen.
When i read this i wasnt too surprised considering the source. I figured Al was at wits end and frustrated that yet another Evo has gotten where he wants to be. I also was telling myself there would be no way David (BR) would even chime in. DB surprised us all I think and contradicted himself to a fail. He couldnt even muster a congrats to the new 8 sec pass. What he doesnt realize is people on this board will always cheer for the underdog. I think this round of attacks by BR and Al will hurt future business for both.
Who here is thinking of not doing business anymore with Br or Dynoflash because of this? I wonder.
Who here is thinking of not doing business anymore with Br or Dynoflash because of this? I wonder.
When i read this i wasnt too surprised considering the source. I figured Al was at wits end and frustrated that yet another Evo has gotten where he wants to be. I also was telling myself there would be no way David (BR) would even chime in. DB surprised us all I think and contradicted himself to a fail. He couldnt even muster a congrats to the new 8 sec pass. What he doesnt realize is people on this board will always cheer for the underdog. I think this round of attacks by BR and Al will hurt future business for both.
Who here is thinking of not doing business anymore with Br or Dynoflash because of this? I wonder.
Who here is thinking of not doing business anymore with Br or Dynoflash because of this? I wonder.
To the people saying they are not trying to cause a seed of doubt to Brandons pass by "out of the blue" posting these ways of cheating is quite laughable and honestly a assault of the intelligence on the members that read these forums. The timing of the posts and there content are just way to leading. No one now should be questioning the possibilites of being able to cheat the timing system and I believe no one is now doing that. What really is disheartening is the respected members/vendors of this site, who are considered to be well respected, are the first to post this type of content immediately following a passing of the guard so to say. No one jumps all over AMS, Buschur or anyone else when they make a fast pass why now does the fact of being able to cheat the timing system come out now? Why does when a measurement of the front bumper is made it is brushed off and a matter of trust comes up? Why isn't AMS in this thread raising the same questions certain vendors are since they are thick in the quickest ET race as well? To me it is truly dissapointing to see the way people act when a record is set and not by the norm of shop. If the logic of the accusers is true for all then all their runs should be thrown out of the window because from what I have seen AMS's, Buschurs and many other cars are pretty low and need to be qualified to make sure this is not happening with other cars as well. And btw their word and/or picture is not good enough because others only trust a certain, small group of people too.
Really people, come on. Everyone gives a certain amount of trust to these shops when they run the times they do, why the sudden onslaught of doubt? Shake the mans hand, verbal congrats is all that should have been done.....period.
Just my 2 cents.
Really people, come on. Everyone gives a certain amount of trust to these shops when they run the times they do, why the sudden onslaught of doubt? Shake the mans hand, verbal congrats is all that should have been done.....period.
Just my 2 cents.
