So you think you can shift?
Originally posted by 90GSX-03EVO
The injectors do not shut off when you get off the throttle in gear. I wish people would stop saying that. It drops the injector duty cycle down to base idle. Jeez, have any of you guys ever hit fuel cut in a DSM? It's VERY hard and VERY instanteous. THAT is the injectors shutting off. When you get off the throttle, you are not hitting fuel cut........
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Josh
The injectors do not shut off when you get off the throttle in gear. I wish people would stop saying that. It drops the injector duty cycle down to base idle. Jeez, have any of you guys ever hit fuel cut in a DSM? It's VERY hard and VERY instanteous. THAT is the injectors shutting off. When you get off the throttle, you are not hitting fuel cut........
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Josh
From the Mitsubishi Service manual for the 3000GT, cant find any direct Evo references:
http://www.stealth316.com/2-fuelinjection.htm#j4
Did find this though - a plug in replacement ECU for Evo VII - makes use of anti-lag and DFCO using the factory sensors:
http://www.gems.co.uk/downloads/guid...0Guide%20c.pdf
Jesus Christ, do you realize how many people I need to apologize to now? Starting with you. I was way off on this. I have never seen Decel Fuel Cut and never even read about it. I was pretty much just stabbing with the Data Logger thing and I have never had the need to pay attention to my logs in this category. Thanks for setting me straight.
Oh, I almost forgot.
Sorry for snapping on you like I was a know-it-all.
Josh
Oh, I almost forgot.
Sorry for snapping on you like I was a know-it-all.
Josh
The first time I hit the fuel cutoff (rev limiter) in my Evo, it felt exactly like a throttle lift -- like removing my foot completely off the accelerator pedal.
So my "butt dyno" tells me that fuel cutoff (at high RPMs) is more or less equal to completely getting out of the throttle.
A little tangent of a question here, but related... If you were to engine brake down a very long hill (like ten or twenty miles), with no fuel going into the engine, would there be any potential issues with damaging anything?
For instance, you're now causing your plugs to repeatedly spark in what is essentially just air. Your fuel pump is active but not actually pumping anything. The catalytic converter is getting "cold" air pumped through it. Certainly all of these systems are designed to handle periods of fuel cutoff, but will they be okay with going twenty minutes without any fuel? Perhaps the ECU will reactivate the injectors before anything bad can happen... I don't know.
(And I've been on some hills in the California desert where coasting in gear for twenty minutes would be realistically possible...)
So my "butt dyno" tells me that fuel cutoff (at high RPMs) is more or less equal to completely getting out of the throttle.
A little tangent of a question here, but related... If you were to engine brake down a very long hill (like ten or twenty miles), with no fuel going into the engine, would there be any potential issues with damaging anything?
For instance, you're now causing your plugs to repeatedly spark in what is essentially just air. Your fuel pump is active but not actually pumping anything. The catalytic converter is getting "cold" air pumped through it. Certainly all of these systems are designed to handle periods of fuel cutoff, but will they be okay with going twenty minutes without any fuel? Perhaps the ECU will reactivate the injectors before anything bad can happen... I don't know.
(And I've been on some hills in the California desert where coasting in gear for twenty minutes would be realistically possible...)
Originally posted by jbrennen
The first time I hit the fuel cutoff (rev limiter) in my Evo, it felt exactly like a throttle lift -- like removing my foot completely off the accelerator pedal.
So my "butt dyno" tells me that fuel cutoff (at high RPMs) is more or less equal to completely getting out of the throttle.
A little tangent of a question here, but related... If you were to engine brake down a very long hill (like ten or twenty miles), with no fuel going into the engine, would there be any potential issues with damaging anything?
For instance, you're now causing your plugs to repeatedly spark in what is essentially just air. Your fuel pump is active but not actually pumping anything. The catalytic converter is getting "cold" air pumped through it. Certainly all of these systems are designed to handle periods of fuel cutoff, but will they be okay with going twenty minutes without any fuel? Perhaps the ECU will reactivate the injectors before anything bad can happen... I don't know.
(And I've been on some hills in the California desert where coasting in gear for twenty minutes would be realistically possible...)
The first time I hit the fuel cutoff (rev limiter) in my Evo, it felt exactly like a throttle lift -- like removing my foot completely off the accelerator pedal.
So my "butt dyno" tells me that fuel cutoff (at high RPMs) is more or less equal to completely getting out of the throttle.
A little tangent of a question here, but related... If you were to engine brake down a very long hill (like ten or twenty miles), with no fuel going into the engine, would there be any potential issues with damaging anything?
For instance, you're now causing your plugs to repeatedly spark in what is essentially just air. Your fuel pump is active but not actually pumping anything. The catalytic converter is getting "cold" air pumped through it. Certainly all of these systems are designed to handle periods of fuel cutoff, but will they be okay with going twenty minutes without any fuel? Perhaps the ECU will reactivate the injectors before anything bad can happen... I don't know.
(And I've been on some hills in the California desert where coasting in gear for twenty minutes would be realistically possible...)
Hell, just stand on the gas while in gear. The car handles like it is on rails. Find out if it is really drag limited or not.
Hehe.
Josh
Originally posted by timzcat
It is illegal to coast in nuetral in a manual car. Check your drivers manual.
Not kidding either. It's been 14 years since I took the test and that still stands out.
It is illegal to coast in nuetral in a manual car. Check your drivers manual.
Not kidding either. It's been 14 years since I took the test and that still stands out.
Originally posted by kidnice
Or if your on the track, you might want to learn how to heel/toe to tap the gas when downshifting. I havent drove stick in a couple of years after selling my civic so I need to relearn it. Other than that, that heel/toe stuff is unnessary on the street.
Or if your on the track, you might want to learn how to heel/toe to tap the gas when downshifting. I havent drove stick in a couple of years after selling my civic so I need to relearn it. Other than that, that heel/toe stuff is unnessary on the street.
Originally posted by Thoe99
Why is it illegal to put your car in neutral to coast? What is the danger of that? I don't understand. Saves gas, right?
Why is it illegal to put your car in neutral to coast? What is the danger of that? I don't understand. Saves gas, right?
Originally posted by emulous
In Maine I've noticed signs usually going through small towns that say "No engine braking for the next 3 miles" I always found that strange, only thing I can think of is the old ladies driving don't think you're slowing down unless they see your brake lights. I'll snap a pic and post it the next time I see one (the sign, not an old lady).
In Maine I've noticed signs usually going through small towns that say "No engine braking for the next 3 miles" I always found that strange, only thing I can think of is the old ladies driving don't think you're slowing down unless they see your brake lights. I'll snap a pic and post it the next time I see one (the sign, not an old lady).
The Jake brakes sounds like an impact wrench that can't loosen or tighten anymore...only an assload louder and deeper.
I learned about DFCO reaaaal quick with the EMS. My setting still aren't tuned and man does that kill fuel economy.
Very good feature to know about.
I learned about DFCO reaaaal quick with the EMS. My setting still aren't tuned and man does that kill fuel economy.
Very good feature to know about.
Last edited by HobieKopek; Aug 1, 2003 at 06:53 PM.
Originally posted by WestSideBilly
Last I checked, it's only illegal to coast in neutral when going down a hill. It's a failsafe in case of brake failure or the driver passing out/dying - basically the engine will limit your top speed to whatever the max is for that gear.
Last I checked, it's only illegal to coast in neutral when going down a hill. It's a failsafe in case of brake failure or the driver passing out/dying - basically the engine will limit your top speed to whatever the max is for that gear.
Go find a downhill stretch of road stick it in first and let gravity do it's thing, it'll keep accelerating well past the point the motor as destroyed itself slapping it's valves against the pistons. Now if the motor locks up, that might keep you from accelerating, but now your probably going to skid of the road after accelerating to a pretty high speed and having the motor lock up the drivetrain.
If shifting and all this silliness is such a concern to so many drivers maybe the novices should stick to automatics on public roads.
Originally posted by HobieKopek
The Jake brakes sounds like an impact wrench that can't loosen or tighten anymore...only an assload louder and deeper.
The Jake brakes sounds like an impact wrench that can't loosen or tighten anymore...only an assload louder and deeper.
Originally posted by Mister2zx3
The max rpm and gear is not going to stop a car from accelerating going down hill. Now if a person's foot get's stuck on the gas goign up hill it will only accelerate until fuel and or ignition cut and redline.
The max rpm and gear is not going to stop a car from accelerating going down hill. Now if a person's foot get's stuck on the gas goign up hill it will only accelerate until fuel and or ignition cut and redline.
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