We were pleased to welcome back member Subievolved with his pal Spec C today to Pruven to test the flash he had recieved from another tuner

Here is his base run

I found this tune to be very lean and there was evident knock activity and pulling of timing. The areas of evident knock activity where 5500 and 6700 rpms as evidenced from my pre-dyno road scan of the OBD-II data and by looking at the dyno chart.

IMHO - super lean and retarded timing = high egts and dangerous conditions which add up to no added power

This tune will attempt to verify that we can make the same - or even more tq and whp with a much richer and safer tune which pulls much smoother and has a nicer dyno sheet

 

Here is the first pull with the Dyno Flash - interestingly our client discovered that he had left a vac nipple off his HKS intake which obviously seems to have thrown off our tune

Our original plan was to simply re-install the old Dyno Flash settings we had made when this gentleman was here on September 4th

Sadly it seemed that the plugging of the leak on his air intake altered the way the MAF was reading and results in the need for a totally new calibration

 

We started to lean on the tune and then we saw some oscilation with the Blitz boost controller - so we then turned down the gain on the next pass

 

Starting to make some big power here - but too lean

We need to riched it up

 

Here we are getting closer - still a bit lean in the middle - but getting close and a nice curve

 

Here we are getting closer a few runs later

We are trading off max peak power for some margin of saftey and smoothness




Compare this to the super LEAN tune he rolled in with - less power and leaner

 

One tune in the 12's and rough with evident knock and pulled timing

Our tune in the low 11's with a totally smooth power and and even steady timing - we actually are making more power

Another fine job that I am proud to put my name on

This car ran amazingly on the highway

 

Nice job! Maybe you were having a bad day when I was there (I'm not Subievolved). You now come across, as not only knowledgeable, but also professional. Nice change.
Joe

 

Wow... they must get GREAT gas mileage too.....

Let me say this instead. I think potential customers, current customers, etc should read the form and form what opinion they want from what has all been posted here from any of these Tuners and/or venders. They should also read other users comments and what they have gotten out of these reflashes, piggyback, and stand alones. Then from they have read and researched, leave it to themselves to choose what they want and what upgrade path they want to go down.

I think it is a bit unfair for anyone to go into any tuners forums and start bashing them when they have nothing to stand on just because they think a certain tuner is better than another. One tuner has his ways of doing things and another has his ways.

But I think the biggest thing of all to keep all this turmoil down is to stop going behind others backs or trying to one-up the other. Because we all know what it can and does lead too. A big my E-dick is bigger than yours contest. And I really think its sad when customers try to work tuner shops against one another.

From now on, cant people just do what they want when they want without someone trying to come up with some smart comment why they shouldn't go to "x" tuner for "x" reason.

Many of you also fail to realize that some users may not be able to afford other solutions such as stand alones and opt for the mail in flash or a local custom tune because other shops are to far away.

I know this has been said a billion times before on EvoM, but let’s try to make it work.

 

Mark we have agreed to a truce which means that you are obligated to refrain from posting these kind of comments about me and my product.

As you know - the vendor rules do not allow you to post these kind of comments on my forum.

I feel its fair for me to express my thoughts about you and your actions over the past few weeks.

I have been keeping my mouth shut for some time. I think its high time to respond.

"Helping EX Al customers" - You are a real funny guy man!!!!!!!

We all know that in reality you were trying to help undermine my reputation and take advantage of a situation to promote your own businss. It was no accident that 95% of those engaging in the attacks and insults agianst me were either those tuned by your shop or those who are your ardent supporters.

Rather than engaging in sneaky and underhanded tactics like hosting a free dyno day for all the "people who have been 'screwed by Dyno Flash'" as you have done I have elected to DEFEND the merrits of my tuning with more civilized and more professional manner. I am simply posting the dyno sheets and accurate information.

For the past couple of week - I have been posting up case studies showing eaxctly how I tune and what kind of effort and work goes into finsihing one of my tunes. I am doing this to show the customers what they are buying. I felt it was much better to focus on what I am doing and show how we do it than to make insults about other tuners. I have been trying to walk the higher ground.

I think its really sad that now you are accusing me of falisfying dyno sheets. The super lean a/f tuning methods you engage in are also shown in your own dyno sheets so I seriously doubt that any one with even half a brain would believe that the sheets I am posting are somehow manipulated. Also - all these customers are right there wacthing us do these dyno runs so there is no opportunity to engage in any tricks.

Anyone with a brain can look at the few dyno sheets you have posted and draw their own conclusions about your tuning methods and ideas.

It seems in retrospect that your kind offer to "help out the evo community" with your "FREE" reflashing day was more of a kick off for your expansion of your reflashing business to directly compete with my business on price point and also on the through the mail tuning which you had recently stated that you would never do becuase you could not get good results.

In the past two weeks since your kind offer you have started ofering through the mail flashes for the same 200 as me and also promoting tuning trips in the same areas I have been frequenting. Also, by coincidence I guess you started your own forum.

I find it ironic and humerous how your carried out the roll out of your new flashing operation.

Everyone who comes to our shop knows that I take a long time and many pulls to complete each and every tune. We are careful and take our time to make sure the job is done right. There is no way I can do one of these tunes in one hour, unless we get really lucky which is usually never the case.

Its no suprize to me that some of the customers who had been exposed to my careful and pain staking methods would later return after checking out your methods.

I do a good job and my customers cars are fast and reliable.

It is not suprizing that some of them would return after testing out your flash on the road.

These guys love their evos and I think they will go where ever they feel they can get the best product.

I am very proud of them and resopect each and every one of them for taking the long hours to drive out to your shop and mine to get all this tuning and try them all out so they can make informed decisions.

These are the kind of car guys I respect and really they are the sole reason why I got into this business in the first place.

In fact - these guys are basically the ones I respect the most beacuse they have actually taken the time to try a few different tuners before opening their mouth or drawing a conclusion.

SO FAR - 3 of the 8 "customers screwed by Dyno Flash" have returned to me to get re-tuned and I have posted all the information here for everyone to read.

The customers are free to go where ever they want. You have your style and I have mine.

Mark - this is AMERICA and people will make up their minds and go to which ever tuner they feel does a good job and gives them a good value. This is how free enterprize and business works.

The fact is that the 8 so called "screwed" or "disatisfied" with Dyno Flash customers were mostly just looking to take advantage of your FREE offer and check out how you tune and sample the results for themselves. Most of them were young kids who are going to school and they wanted to take advantage of an offer for free dyno tuning to see how your tuning works. A lot of them dont drive vipers or have unlimited funds so a offer of a free dyno and tune is something that will draw them out.

I am very honored that some of these customers whould return to have me tune thier cars.

Most of them paid $ for their dyno time to get my flash restored. I think that says something.

What you wont find is me offering FREE dyno days for those who are not happy with your tuning.

Frankly - I am already so busy that I have little time to waste on such activities and frankly I think that doing such a thing is way beneath my character.

By opening your shop to do FREE dyno days for those 'screwed" by other local tuners, to "help" the evo community - I think you are speaking volumes about yourself.

In conclusion, at Pruven when I tune a car with my reflasher - I put 100% of my energy and attention into making sure the tune is as safe and as smooth as it can be. We strive to do the very best we can on every car - even if it means staying late till 11:00 p.m. I have tuned over 850 evos in the past year and so far not one of them has blown up or experienced tuning related engine failure. I am pleased and proud to have the opportnity to work on these cars and appreciate the chance to work on re-tuning some of the so called "screwed" customers who went to turbo tricks.


Thanks

 

Exactly ,, which is why i thought i wouldnt have to deal with this **** again and again. Al, you know exactly why i did a free flash day.. lets not rehash on it. You devote your entire day/life trying to discredit what i do and how i do it. You agreed to a truce and said " i wont start any more bull****" then i read this. C'mon man ..let it go. I really could care less what you do / how you do it. I refrain from talking about you and your product. Do we need to go down this road again ? I hope not ..

Mark
Turbotrix

 

I agree with you 100%

I sould simply ask that you refrain from posting on my section of the forums here.

I am not trying to discredit what you do

I am trying to CREDIT what I am doing

I have nothing bad to say about you or our products

It is regretable that this free dyno day stuff went down in the first place

I agree that we should continue to respect each other's shops and work with a greater respect going forward

This is my business and obvously I am going to defend my business when attacked and try and stay in business.

Our case studies are not intended to attack any tuner - but rather to educate the protential customers about what to expect with our methods.

 

enough said .. we'll end it here ..

 

Sorry about the link guys, just copy and paste this into your browser:

http://turbotrix.com/images/Casestudy8.jpg

 

Ok man. As you know I greatly respect and admire your shops efforts and acomplishments