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Old Feb 6, 2005 | 08:07 AM
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One small thing it's Xede not Exede. Not to hard
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Old Feb 6, 2005 | 08:08 AM
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One small thing it's Xede not Exede. Not to hard
Az3ar: I fixed the misspell for you. Is that beter??

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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 02:48 PM
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Alright, I just registered and got permission to post on the forums. I'm the guy who had his car reflashed by Al.

First I'd like to say that, yes he was able to get me more horse power with his reflash.

but I did now that my car wasn't tuned correctly. Vishnu did not have the exact maps on their site for the specific modifications on my car. That is the reason I went to Al, so he could tune my car with the XEDE to my exact modifications.

AL LIED TO US!! He said to Jayson(the mechanic who works on my car) that he knew how to tune the car with the XEDE and that it wouldn't be a problem.

Jay and I drove over two hours to pruven to get my car tuned, and when we got there he wouldn't even tune my car how I wanted. He didn't say that he didn't know how to tune the car with the XEDE.

He said that I shouldn't use the Xede because it was a "Glorified boost controller", and that it was crap. He was starting to get aggravated when I told him that I wanted it on the car.

after arguing with him I finally let him tune the car how he wanted, only because my car wouldn't run correctly without it. After 1.5 bar the car would hit fuel cut. Also, I didn't want to drive 5 hours for nothing. To tell the truth he knew that I had driven pretty far and that my car wasn't running right so I think he knew that I was going to do what he said.

When my car was on the dyno I felt like it was Al's MR not mine.

In the end he told me the only way that my car would run properly is to have his reflash and buy a 255 walboro fuel pump for $120.


So I will take David up on his offer, because I know my car has more potential than this, and I'd rather not deal with people like Al

Although I must say that the guys at Pruven performance were great and that I am happy with the results, definitely not the service.
Old Feb 9, 2005 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 8reverseffects
Alright, I just registered and got permission to post on the forums. I'm the guy who had his car reflashed by Al.

First I'd like to say that, yes he was able to get me more horse power with his reflash.

but I did now that my car wasn't tuned correctly. Vishnu did not have the exact maps on their site for the specific modifications on my car. That is the reason I went to Al, so he could tune my car with the XEDE to my exact modifications.

AL LIED TO US!! He said to Jayson(the mechanic who works on my car) that he knew how to tune the car with the XEDE and that it wouldn't be a problem.

Jay and I drove over two hours to pruven to get my car tuned, and when we got there he wouldn't even tune my car how I wanted. He didn't say that he didn't know how to tune the car with the XEDE.

He said that I shouldn't use the Xede because it was a "Glorified boost controller", and that it was crap. He was starting to get aggravated when I told him that I wanted it on the car.

after arguing with him I finally let him tune the car how he wanted, only because my car wouldn't run correctly without it. After 1.5 bar the car would hit fuel cut. Also, I didn't want to drive 5 hours for nothing. To tell the truth he knew that I had driven pretty far and that my car wasn't running right so I think he knew that I was going to do what he said.

When my car was on the dyno I felt like it was Al's MR not mine.

In the end he told me the only way that my car would run properly is to have his reflash and buy a 255 walboro fuel pump for $120.


So I will take David up on his offer, because I know my car has more potential than this, and I'd rather not deal with people like Al

Although I must say that the guys at Pruven performance were great and that I am happy with the results, definitely not the service.
Sorry to hear what happened. So I guess we'll see you at Turbotrix soon....

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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 03:18 PM
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what do you think?
Old Feb 9, 2005 | 03:19 PM
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what do you think?
I'm not at all surprised. Pretty typical I'm afraid.

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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 8reverseffects
AL LIED TO US!! He said to Jayson(the mechanic who works on my car) that he knew how to tune the car with the XEDE and that it wouldn't be a problem.

Jay and I drove over two hours to pruven to get my car tuned, and when we got there he wouldn't even tune my car how I wanted. He didn't say that he didn't know how to tune the car with the XEDE.

He said that I shouldn't use the Xede because it was a "Glorified boost controller", and that it was crap. He was starting to get aggravated when I told him that I wanted it on the car.

after arguing with him I finally let him tune the car how he wanted, only because my car wouldn't run correctly without it. After 1.5 bar the car would hit fuel cut. Also, I didn't want to drive 5 hours for nothing. To tell the truth he knew that I had driven pretty far and that my car wasn't running right so I think he knew that I was going to do what he said.

When my car was on the dyno I felt like it was Al's MR not mine.

In the end he told me the only way that my car would run properly is to have his reflash and buy a 255 walboro fuel pump for $120.


So I will take David up on his offer, because I know my car has more potential than this, and I'd rather not deal with people like Al

Although I must say that the guys at Pruven performance were great and that I am happy with the results, definitely not the service.
I think your confusion liew from the fact that I dealt mostly with Jason in setting up your tune and not yourself. The way Jason originally explained it to me you needed only a fuel cut removal and a minor tweak or to tune the car. Generally I would never touch a car with a Xede on it under any cisurmstances as I have no interest in them what so ever. However - in the case of Jason - I made an exception as he has done me many personal favors.

I had only the best intentions to provide Jason's customer the best possible tuning. After I saw how far off your tune was and found out about your plan to run a lower boost level at 15 psi and a higher boost level at 20 psi - that is when I suggested that you consider a reflash as a more cost effective and simple soultion to your problem as we were running a special on the flashes for $299 with 2 hours of dyno time included.

After explaining the choices to you - it was YOUR decision to go with the flash.

If you did not want the flash you could have just taken the car home and you would have paid nothing.

BTW - we suggest the fuel pump - which is sold by Pruven - as a saftey measure as we have seen stock pumps fail on many occassions - I would say that 8
90% of my customers have the fuel pumps and I personally have never sold ONE walbro pump to anyone. I am not suggesting the pump to anyone to make money on them - its just to make sure their car will run good and be reliable.

In your case - we also lent you a Hallman Boost controller to tune your car off the race car and allowed Jason to work in the shop to remove the Xede and install your fuel pump at no cost.

At the time - since it was your mechanic removing the Xede - surely you could have excercised your free will and instructed him to NOT remove it.

Surely during your two hours at Pruven and test drive with me and by yourself and also taking other customers for test ride before you paid your bill at any time you could have found the inner stength to express your disatisfaction with the flash tune.

It seems that in the time since you recieved your tuning Vishnu made you an offer you can not refuse. All I can say is sorry you do not like your tune and best of luck with the Xede in the future.
Old Feb 9, 2005 | 03:20 PM
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i felt like it wasn't even my car on the dyno, and then to lie about the events that happened, that's insane.
Old Feb 9, 2005 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
I'm not at all surprised. Pretty typical I'm afraid.

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Shiv - you are not welcome on my forums - take your "piggy back" $1,000 devices and head back to the Vishnu forums - thanks
Old Feb 9, 2005 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 8reverseffects
i felt like it wasn't even my car on the dyno, and then to lie about the events that happened, that's insane.
I dont know how much more "potential" your car has BTW, as your dyno figures are about the highest we have ever gotten on a car with no cams and pump gas.

I am very satisfied with the results of your tuning session and they speak for themselves

Its ridiculous that YOUR mechanic spends a hour removing your Xede and changing your fuel pump and someone you are trying to imply that I forced you to do this.

Yes - I can't stand the Xede - I think the flash is much better and cheaper

I did not want to charge you $500 for dyno time and tuning to tune your Xede when you could have the flash and the dyno time for $299 complete and sell your Xede. I just find the flash is a better value and gets the same results, just my opinion.

Again if you did not agree with the game plan - then YOU SHOULD NOT have agreed

Your dyno sheet is a very decent result and you got a fair value for what you paid.

If you are not satisfied - I will meet you half way from your house - flash you back to stock and refund your money. Give me a call.


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