Here is a MR owner who says he is not yet a member here but likes to read our fourms - I say bro - sign up man and stop lurking !!!!!!!!!

Anyway

Here are his mods on a sweet 05 MR

HKS RS Intake w/ Apexi filter
3" Exhuast with TX dp, cat delete and HKS cat back
Vishnu cam gears set to vishnu specs
RMR fmic pipe kit

Exed unit with some 93 stage one map that the customer down loaded - HE HAD NO PROPER BASE MAP FOR HIS MODS SO HIS MAP WAS WRONG and there was NO MAP available for his set up so he was apparently in a bit of a bind

Here is the base line dyno sheet with pump gas

NOTE* This thread is NOT intended as a flame of any other product or any comparison to any other tuning solutions as the other product was untuned.

 

seems like pretty good numbers.

I dyno'd my MR with just TBE and boost controller and got 265whp so I say his MR is on the stronger side

 

I had a hard time to figure out exactly which base tune to try out on this car since it had a hybrid HKS / Apexi combination so I was looking at it and it looked like a Buschur style filter with a cone so I tried the map for a Buschur filter

Looks like it started off good with some issues up top from the cam gears - need to lean it out on top and adjust timing

I took out the xede unit as I have no idea on how to tune it at all and installed a Hallman MBC at 21 psi peak and a Walbro 255 lph fuel pump - actually his mechanic installed all that in our parking lot as he brought his mechanic from his local mitsubishi with him b/c they are pals

Here is the Dyno Flash through the mail tune with hallman MBC compared to the previous set up

 

Interesting you had trouble with that intake combination- Funny also we have no '05 basemap with ANY intake provisions, seems like a cobble together load what ya think kinda deal. Does he want to meet us at turbotrix for a free tune if we cant out tune you AL?

 

Yup he posseses not one of our reccomended components. Offer still stands custom map to custom map- you know how that will end

 

Here is the a/f print out - vetry close for a base flash

 

Working it a bit at a time

 

Step by step tuning to dial in the proper tune

 

I did not provision or set up this car so i have no idea which map he was using - no doubt its the wrong map - AND /OR there is NO Xede map off the shelf for his parts combo. I guess he would need a custom tuned map.

I am not trying to bash any product - just show a case example of my tuning which speaks for itself.

It is you guys having the "take the Xflash challenge sticky thread" on your forum which gave this customer the idea to try a flash in the first place after he was not getting good results with his mish mosh of parts and a base map for stock intake

 

OK, I dont understand they why the comparo especially when you see its obvious the wrong hardware is being used in conjunction with a map for one of our stages?? Doesnt seem to relavant to me Al

 

wait so the customer is using the wrong map and you are comparing it to your custom tune? that's foul!

 

I agree you are prob right and I would be the first one to suggest that with the Xede, Shiv could achive the same exact results with a proper tune.

In fact - its my thought that any tuning device will reach the same result with the same tuning parameters

In my opinion they are all just various ways to reach the same destination

My concept here is just maybe to suggest that those who buy piggy back devices through the mail need the right map to go with thier mods and that switching intakes throws off the tune

More importantly - it seems that when you are using a tuneable product be it a UTEC, Xede, AEM or what ever - if you don't know HOW to tune your own car then you better MAKE SURE that you selct the mods which exactly match the BASE MAPS available - OTHERWISE you will either need to get someone to tune your car - OR it will run like crap

My point I am trying to show is that my product is a finished product which is configured TO YOUR MODS and to MATCH YOUR CAR be it through the mail or custom tuned. You are not restricted to certain parts when you use a Dyno Flash.

BTW - the ONLY reson why I called it a "reverese challenge" is becuase you guys continue with this Xflash challenge stuff on your site and honestly we never saw an Xflash here to challenge against - here is your post - https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...t=74020&page=1

 

Actually no foul - I clearly identified exactly what we were dyno testing in my original post

 

BTW - here is the final sheet

I wanted to say that the vishnu cam gears are very good

Clearly the effect on the tq curve is to even out the power band and make for a very smooth low end and much more power up top

The settings were spot on on the cam gears and a lovely addition for anyone who wants to get more 6,000 to red line power at the expense of low end tq. Obviously a lot of work went into dialing in those cam gear settings and they really smooth out the power band.

Personally I prefer the stock gear setting feeling where the boost slams on hard when it hits and then falls downa bit - BUT - I can see that this cam gear settings makes the tq curve almost FLAT through the middle and it may have big advatanges for a guy doing road raceing as it will come in real smooth out of the corners.

 

Also - David - the customer's name is Alex C. and he is standing right in front of me at Pruven now - and he says he will ACCEPT your offer to make a custom tune on his xede - for free - but he does not want you to try and out tune me - he just asks that you make a good quality tune he can drive around on every day and make comprable power. He will try out both tunes for a week or so of driving and then he can decide which one to keep in his car. He likes the xede as he wants to switch maps and boost levels I think the problem is that he got carried away with his mods and then found himself with no real base map for his set up.